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Does anyone have any experience buying a car through eBay? I am considering bidding on a 240 wagon but am wary because I have never bought a car online before. Any recommendations or considerations?
Thanks! Julie
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posted by
someone claiming to be Mike Gambone
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Wed Jan 7 14:42 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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Looks like typical ebay bs to me, forget price for a moment and look at the bid history. Some suspicious bids only 30 seconds apart, my guess is a buddy is running up the price (just my 2 cents here, I could be all wet). Admittedly the car looks good, but why pay over book value for a car, yeah it's 240 classic, big deal, it's the same as any other 240 except for some trim items. If your still interested hire someone to scope out the car before playing the game and driving 600 miles. Have them verify all the dealer says. The service records are a great point, I always look for them, I'll buy a high mileage car with records versus one without, just make sure they are the complete service records not one or two services at the dealer. Also, keep in mind this guy is a dealer, he's got more connections than you or me. My point is, just be careful, your talking about over book value for a car that really won't be a collectors item (again my 2 cents here). One thing about cars....there's always another one. Looks like you can do better to me. Good luck.
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posted by
someone claiming to be julie brewer
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Wed Jan 7 14:51 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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I thought $6200 in a matter of hours with 6 days to go was some pretty impressive bidding. I think I got excited on the "discovery" of the car. I'm in Nashville and these creatures are impossible to find. I guess I am going to keep looking. Thanks for the insight - Julie
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If you are in Nashville, check out the Memphis market. There are plenty of 240s for sale in the Memphis area.
Take care,
Keith
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1983 245 Turbo, 165K miles; 1987 244 DL, 272K miles; 1980 244 DL (RIP); 1966 Ford Bronco- straight six, three-on-the-tree, NO frills
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Julie,
It's a simple fact that nice cars have and will come around all the time. There are after all 1800 240 Classic's out there with the vast majority of them having landed in North America.
We'll all keep a look out for ya...
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Richard - '87 245 DL 374,000 km, '82 242 GLT 121,000 km
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A lot of good advice here, I was just looking at a 1800ES on ebay that was just over the hill from me in El Cajon, the seller was evasive about letting me come see the car so I didn't even bid, the car went for $3651, heck I would have added a grand to that easy if the car was in any kind of shape. Communicate and use your gut feeling about the seller. That Classic is a nice set of wheels, I'd love to add one to the collection.
Dave Shannon
Spring Valley, California (San Diego area)
'84-245 200K+
'84-245T 190K+
'88-240 190K+
'01 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 10K
www.volvo2.homestead.com (Opens new window)
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Hello,
Having been a car sales rep and subsequently a manager for over 8 years in my previous career, used cars are like a crapshoot for both dealers and customers alike. For every time I sent one down that road that never came back, it seemed that there was one that had a permanent elastic band on it. You win some you lose some. You get the drift.
This car you are suggesting appears to be an excellent choice. Last year of the 240's. All the toys. Well looked after. Dry, clean and rust free Virginia car. It even looks like the dealer is allright as well. Before you bid, email or phone the dealer and get a condition of inspection. OTHERWISE NO BANANAS FOR TEH DEALER UNTIL YOU ARE HAPPY!!! NOT A FRICKING RED CENT!!! It is your right to have such a condition and if the seller balks, tell them where to go and how to get there. eBay is a risk for both parties alike, so minimize yours!!!
Otherwise....
Happy Bricking and Welcome!!!
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Richard - '87 245 DL 374,000 km, '82 242 GLT 121,000 km
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posted by
someone claiming to be bosozoku
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Wed Jan 7 07:48 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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Well, my story was that, last June, I saw a 1988 240 wagon for sale
on E-Bay, going for $1000 in the NYC area. The auction was to
end the day afterwards. E-mailing the seller, I found out that
the reserve was $1900. The car was a 5-speed, so I wanted it.
Quite badly :) The next day, 5 hrs. before the auction was to
end, I took a ride from Parsippany, NJ where I worked, to Babylon,
Long Island, where the car was. I arrived an hour before the
auction ended - the car was in good shape, with only a minor
exhaust leak, worn belts, and broken tailgate wiring. Since there
was no way in h*ll that his reserve would be met in the remaining
time, I made a deal with the guy selling it that I'd buy it for
$25 above the highest bid - this ended up being $1400.
Coming back by train the next day, we went to the bank, and had the
title signed over to me and notarized. It was _after_ the signing
that I realized that I had never looked for rust under the left
side of the car. Alas, I saw a small hole behind the driver's
seat - this wouldn't be readily apparent to the casual observer, so
I don't think that the seller was being dishonest. So, I convinced
him to knock $250 off of the sale price, and all was good.
On the way back, on the 59th St. bridge into Manhattan, the car
began to overheat... Turns out that that was just a loose connection
to the dash. cluster giving grief, but having to stop and check
the coolant temperature (ummm, digitally) in the midst of a
torrential downpour was interesting.
So far, I've spent: $40 for new belts, $400 for the rust repair (the
hole ended up being bigger than I could see at first), $20 for a
CD deck, $100 for trans. oil change and exhaust gasket repair,
$20 for new vacuum hoses, $50 for rubber floormats, $10 for misc
bolts and hardware, $350 for tires, and $80 for a used set of
snow tires. This doesn't include gas or oil changes, but it gave
me a pretty nice car with some "extras" for ~$2400. And, I could
probably sell it on EBay for $1400 or so if I end up moving abroad
or something. That is, if my dad doesn't convince me to sell it
to him first :)
-b.
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I've purchased two 240's via eBay. Both experiences were very positive. One was nearby, while the other was several hundred miles away from home. My advice is to ask A LOT of questions and make sure that you have solid answers from the seller. I have a laundry list of things that I ask to determine the maintenance history, condition, etc. The seller of one car responded that I asked too many questions and that I either wanted the car or I didn't. After that response, I didn't!
Also, make sure that the seller is a delaer, the person listed on the title, or that the person in whose name the car is titled will be there at transfer (e.g., the seller's spouse). I inquired about some cars only to find that the seller had never titled the car in their own name. The "clear" title was still open from a previous sale. I'm uneasy about stuff like that.
I would not bid on a car that required a deposit within 24 hours or some such clause. It seems like too much could happen between the exchange of money and the pick-up of the car.
Good luck,
Keith
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1983 245 Turbo, 165K miles; 1987 244 DL, 272K miles; 1980 244 DL (RIP); 1966 Ford Bronco- straight six, three-on-the-tree, NO frills
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Maybe you should read through the last couple weeks' postings.
This subject was discussed in great detail, both pros and cons.
The main consensus was, DO NOT buy the car sight unseen unless you
have had someone you can trust check it out for you. There is bound
to be a reason why it is being sold rather than kept.
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George Downs, The "original" Walrus3, Bartlesville, Oklahoma
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"There is bound to be a reason why it is being sold rather than kept."
The reason is not necessarily bad, though. One of my eBay purchases (a very, very positive experience) was from a mechanic / dealer who purchases cars at dealer auctions, makes needed repairs, and then sells them on eBay. I'm sure he makes a nice profit, but who cares- he replaced the blower motor before I picked up the car! That was worth it to me. :)
Keith
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1983 245 Turbo, 165K miles; 1987 244 DL, 272K miles; 1980 244 DL (RIP); 1966 Ford Bronco- straight six, three-on-the-tree, NO frills
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Might be good, might be bad - it's all luck. Here's my experience: I bought an 84 240DL for $540 on ebay. I was about 200 miles from the car, so I bussed over to it (after several appeals: "PLEASE tell me if there's something seriously wrong with it so I don't waste my time..."). Before bidding I sent an email to the buyer - if there were mechanical problems not mentioned that I discovered upon inspection I would not be buying the vehicle, and he's free to delete my bid if that's not satisfactory. Anyway, I was warned the muffler was bad, which it was - but beyond that, the inspection was good. It's eight months later and, with the exception of some minor issues, mostly to do with deteriorating wiring, the thing's been fantastic - easily $540 worth.
So the point here is, make sure you can refuse to buy until you've had the internals checked.
-Alex
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I would say do a carfax if you can and ask every possible question you can think of, unless you get a chance to drive it. Use their feedback as a foundation of how trustworthy they are too.
IMHO I wouldn't buy a car off ebay unless they had 98% feedback or higher.
Do you have a link to the car?
chuck
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please tell me what you think - i am considering driving to to check her out - (600 miles) -
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31877&item=2452928812
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Holy cow! You didn't mention that the car is a '93 240 Classic!!! (#1097 of 1600) Of all the 240 Wagons out there, this is the cream of the crop! If you haven't noticed, the auction went from $99 to $3,500 in the first 18 hours and it's still got 6 days to go.
Oh yeah, a few minor details: Dealer service records, dealer oil changes, official Volvo parts (including battery), recent timing belt change, all options (including cruise and armrest), non-smoker, rare BBS style Volvo 14" alloy wheels, excellent interior and exterior, complete owners manuals, etc.....
Personally, I wouldn't be suprised if this auction closes for almost $10,000 by the end. There are enought 240 enthusiasts out there looking for a pristine '93 Classic model to fetch that kind of price. I checked out the value at www.kbb.com for a private party transaction (using a Richmond, VA zip code of 23218) and it came back as $5,715. Then I re-ran the listing as if it were being purchased from a used-car-dealer, and the same car would run $7,200 according to their info (same zipcode and options).
God bless,
Fitz Fitzgerald.
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'87 Blue 245, NA 230K
P.S. Oh yeah, you were wondering about our past eBay experiences in buying automobiles. In September 2003, I bought an '88 Volvo 780 for $1,200 on eBay. I emailed the seller several times to ask questions, talked to him at least 3 times on his cell phone, and then placed my bid. He was very honest and had listed several issues with the car on the eBay auction (most of them were simple mechanical issues). After winning the auction and driving the 3 hours to pick it up, he let me use his garage for 2 hours before I drove it home so I could perform a quick tune-up and fix about 50% of the problems he had listed. A poor idle was cured by cleaning the IAC valve and new Air Filter. The transmission shifting problem was cured by adding 2.5 quarts of ATF fluid. Oil change, etc... Needless to say, I've been very happy with my purchase. (a great car at a great price, and only a little rust on the undercarriage to touch up)
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Thank you for your response and info. I already spoke to the guy at the dealership and he told me if I wanted to bypass eBay they would take $8500. I am scared to buy the car without looking at it/driving it. My husband is deployed and I wish he could inspect it. I have been looking for months and months for a car like this. You don't live near Richmond, do you? (ha ha ha) I'm in Nashville and guess I may be making a trip soon. Do you think the car is worth $8500? BTW, I've had an '81 240 wagon, '88 240 sedan, '93 850 sedan, and we now have a '94 940 turbo diesel manual wagon - european specs - in Germany. thanks again! Julie
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You are in a vulnerable situation, as seen by the seller/dealer. Husband far away, female and therefore unknowledgeable of things mechanical, no sense of price vs value, etc., and other stereotypical things - all of which can be turned to your advantage.
However, you are a ready, willing, and (I assume) able buyer. That's a combination that a dealer would like. Use that leverage, and ALWAYS be ready to walk away from the deal. Communicate this to them by phrases and behavior, not directly.
As a dealer, they should be able to pull up on the computer all the service records, and maybe more. They should provide you with a 90-day or longer warranty, and - since you are "Not from around here" set it up so you can get work done in your home town.
Maybe you can bargain with "I agree to the 8500 and that must include a 24 month warranty". They will likely not agree, but (1) if you don't ask, you won't get, and (2) they might counter with a 1-year warranty.
They should provide you with owner's manual and other books. You should scour the car, look everywhere - under the rear seat, under the trunk carpet and pad, in the trunk right side storage space, etc. and find info that will let you contact the PO. Then do so. Ask what problems they encountered that encouraged them to trade it in. Was it ever wrecked?
Is it worth $8500? If you get 10 to 12 good years out of it with no extra repairs for stuff the PO should have fixed, maybe so. It is a rare bird. Value through comparison to other cars is, IMHO, irrelevant unless you plan a near-term sale. If you get 10 years good service, that's like $900 a year, and that's way below car payments, right?
I know of another 93 belonging to another Brickster. The owner told me that the last cars of the run were practically hand made. Good QC.
Make the deal contingent on passing inspection by a third party - you might find an independent Volvo shop by asking the parts counter clerk for the names of some good shops.
Good Luck,
Bob
:>)
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ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR TREE???????????????????
Pardon my ghast, but at 8500 that dealer is laughing his frank and beans all the way to that bank with a 100 percent profit. See the above post but that car isn't worth A DIME more than 6000. It's very nice condition aside, it's a 10 year old car with 114,000 miles!!!!
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Richard - '87 245 DL 374,000 km, '82 242 GLT 121,000 km
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You have a standard tranny 940?
I didn't know those existed.
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If you listen to the radio in Portland, OR, you may know me as "Portland's Favorite Soul Brother!"
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It's a 4 speed turbo diesel with overdrive, and it flies on the autobahn. We bought it in Germany. - Julie :)
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That car will go for top dollar, no doubt. Probably a safe purchase, too - low miles, southern car (no snow/salt, high quality roads) and probably babied for the past 10 years....I have not yet bought a car on E-bay, but shop on a regular basis....Volvos are popular in VA...
Jay
84 245 GLTi 226k
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