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Ipd SS braided brake lines....?? 200 1993

These are an upgrade that I've never really seriously considered before. But since Ipd is offering a 15%(gasp) savings on them, I might go for it. Can anyone give me some insight on (A.)-How difficult would they be to install on an ABS equipt 240 wagon and...(B.)-Do they really make a dramatic difference in the brake pedal travel or general feel of the braking system. Any help would be greatly appreciated.








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    Ipd SS braided brake lines....?? 200 1993

    The big difference is that the braided lines don't swell shut into
    check valves like the rubber ones do. Not sure about the newfangled
    240s but on the 164 the rubber lines are less than 1/8" ID and they
    do swell shut. When you brake they go on just fine because you pressurized
    the line with a lot of pressure but when you release, there is no pressure
    to open the line and let the fluid flow back, so the brakes drag and
    wear out pads and disks. Since there are no leaks you don't even think
    there might be a hose problem, and when someone told me that was what
    it was, I didn't believe them.
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    George Downs, The "original" Walrus3, Bartlesville, Oklahoma








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      What keeps the SS lines from swelling shut? 200 1993

      Quote: "The big difference is that the braided lines don't swell shut into
      check valves like the rubber ones do."


      Can anybody tell me why? I'm curious since I need to do this same project in a couple months. Is the Stainless Steel flexible jacketing internal??? -or is it the lack of external reinforcement on a conventionalline that that alows the lines to bulge and constrict? Maybe I'm thinking of this the wrong way...

      About 4 years ago, I had a regular (non-SS) flexible brake line swell shut on my Pontiac. It took me 2 weeks to diagnose the problem and by that time I'd killed the caliper due to the heat buildup. At the time, I thought SS was just a 'dress-up' that provided a little external reinforcement to keep the lines from bursting if the rubber hose started to fail.
      --
      '87 Blue 245, NA 214K








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        What keeps the SS lines from swelling shut? 200 1993

        The inner hose is more like a teflon, chemically inert.

        Rubbers of various kinds swell different amounts. The liner in the
        IPD hoses apparently does not swell.

        The part about the OEM lines is that they are very small ID and the
        wall thickness is enough that they can swell shut. The hoses on
        122s swell also but they are big enough that they don't swell shut.
        --
        George Downs, The "original" Walrus3, Bartlesville, Oklahoma








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    Ipd SS braided brake lines....?? 200 1993

    Bill M:

    How difficult they are to install depends upon your level of experience. If you've got a 240 blower motor or real main seal replacement under your belt, then it's dead easy. If the thought of replacing your own timing belt or water pump disturbs you, then I wouldn't attempt it.

    If you decide to install them, I would strongly recommend soaking the fittings of the hoses presently on the car with PBlaster several times over a period of several days before attempting the job. I did this, and still broke one hard line on each car I installed them on, necessitating trips to the junkyard for replacements. Your car is newer than any of my 240s, however, and you have half as many front lines to deal with, so maybe you won't break any! Get some good metric flare wrenches. And you'll have to bleed/flush the hydraulic system when you're done - the Motive Products power bleeder is head and shoulders above the other power bleeders I've seen or used.

    Finally, will you feel a big difference in the pedal travel or firmness? Not really. In fact, I'll bet if you drove all four of my 240s, you wouldn't be able to tell which two had the factory rubber lines and which two had the IPD stainless lines.
    --
    Mike W., '79 242GT (my project car), '85 245DL (son's project car), '87 245 DL (my daily driver), '90 244DL (son-in-law's daily driver), '91 744T (wife's daily driver), '94 944T (daughter's daily driver), Largo, FL








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    Ipd SS braided brake lines....?? 200 1993

    The IPD SS braid covered brake hoses have much less elastricity than the rubber/fabric Volvo brake hoses, and give a noticeably firmer brake pedal.

    The brake pedal travel will be the same until the brakes take hold, and then the pedal travel is less.

    Installation is simple if you don't mind opening the hydraulic brake lines and bleeding the system. You will want to buy some flare nut wrenches since it is easy to round the hex shaped tubing nuts with an open end wrench.








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      Ipd SS braided brake lines....?? 200 1993

      Thank you for the quick responses. I haven't ordered them yet, but I will start spraying down the connection points with "Nut Buster" tonight. Thanx again :)







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