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Dirty rotten door panels!! 200

I'm sure all you old Volvo owners have run into this problem but new owners may not have done so. It involves water caused rot to the door panels.

My daughter's '84 and my wife's '88 240s had stiff door locks and window mechanisms. When I pulled the inner door panel to do the lube job, I found a mess. The '84 only had a paper water shield between the panel and the metal door.(Doesn't it ever rain in Sweden or is it always snow?) Surprisingly, the panel was still OK. I made new plastic water shields using the paper ones as patterns and did both front doors. The '88 had plastic water shields but some careless yahoo had not tucked the bottom of the shield back into the door. Thus when water ran down the shield it got on the bottom of the inner door panel instead of going back into the door and out the door drains. I did both front doors on the '86.

I thought I'd better have a look at my '86. The driver's door water shield was not tucked in. The panel had a spectacular mold growth on it. When I dried the panel out, it just crumbled into powder. A trip to the local pick-and pull got me a nice inner door panel ($5.00) which I installed with a new water shield. Checked the water shield on the passenger's side, it was ok. In all cases I lubed everything in sight while the panels were off. Big improvement in the electric locks and window actions.

I took apart the front doors on three cars and found all had water problems. It might be a good idea for BB readers who haven't done this to take a look at those water shields and do a good lube job while you're in there.








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    Dirty rotten door panels!! - Good Advice (pix) 200

    To "old volvo owners" it need not be said, but any time we have the door panel off we should be cleaning the debris from the bottom, making sure those drains are clear such that no appreciable amount of water could be trapped inside the door for any length of time.

    I was in the doors of my 79 recently to replace the rotten foam speaker surrounds on the 24-year-old originals. Found the old paper vapor barrier in one piece but so fragile it was a jigsaw puzzle by the time I had it out of the car. Made a pattern, like you, but not with my precious homeland security plastic (smile) but some heavy waterproofed kraft paper some parts supplier had used to stuff the box full. Then attached it to the door with a sparingly small amount of that homeland security brand duct tape. Shame on me, I did this a month ago before I knew how valuable these materials would be... Seriously, I figured the paper would be all right if a similar material almost made it 25 years. But those scrapers are shrinking...













    By the way, to keep my posts from taking too long I reduce the resolution and increase the compression on these pics by about 30x, so if anyone is needing more detail, I probably have it and can send email.

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    Art Benstein near Baltimore








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      Dirty rotten door panels!! - Good Advice (pix) 200

      Art, as always your pictures are the best. I hope to get a digital camera and then learn how to post photos. You're right about being careful to save up on plastic and duct tape. In our case we will have to go out and live in the Volvo's.








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    The other half of this problem is keeping the water out int the first place 200

    A while back, I asked on the board whether anyone had found a replacement source for the extruded rubber that forms the exterior window scrapers. No one responded with any sources.

    but I'm asking again because these stupid little strips are very important for longevity. They keep 95% of water that runs down the window from ever getting into the door in the first place.

    Sooner or later they harden, crack, and crumble. Then it's all over for the door's innards.

    I've been real careful on my 1980. They're split and shrunk, but not actually busted up--yet. Even on the 1992, they're all showing tiny cracks.

    Volvo sells replacements (or did a few years ago) but you have to buy the chrome strip that attaches to them, for $62 each. I asked IPD to consider making them--all it would take is a single die cut and a contract with a rubber products fabricator to run off a batch--but they weren't interested.

    Somewhere in the world is the original supplier and I bet that plain rubber extrusion is available. The trick is knowing an insider in the auto parts supply chain.

    Anyone have a lead on this?

    Doug Harvey








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      The other half of this problem is keeping the water out int the first place 200

      I have found this type of stuff at a large well stocked automotive uppholstery supply store and have used the stuff from JC Whitney on another car... You can also get generic felt channel and inside felt strip (window fuzzies) as well.

      Justin B.
      83 Turbo








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      The other half of this problem is keeping the water out int the first place 200

      I do not have the answer to your request Doug, sorry. But your post is an excellent reminder to treat the rubber door and window seals with silicone oil a couple of times a year while they are still in good shape.

      Erling.
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      1987 240 GL 82K miles








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      The other half of this problem is keeping the water out int the first place 200

      Different model years have different cross section. The embedded chrome strips were dropped when the cost could be cut. The later types may be cheaper. I have had the same problem. The 1983-84 240s have those awful metal cover things that are sort of embedded, another type of PITA.

      I have toyed with the idea of replacing a shrunk shortened scraper molding with one made from 2 or 3 pieces of good flexible pieces, so it'll tightly end to end. Ever done that?

      Regards,

      Bob

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        The other half of this problem is keeping the water out int the first place 200

        I have a 242 so its nearly impossible to find good used rubber for the window scrapers so I did exactly what you suggested. Just went to the junkyard and pulled some good scrappers from 244s. Used about one and a half for each door. Works good but not exactly the prettiest repair because the seam is still visible but its better than getting tons of water and leaves and such in the door cavity.


        Cheers.
        Adam.








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    Dirty rotten door panels!! 200

    That is some good info, thanks....

    Jay
    84 245 221k








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      Dirty rotten door panels!! 200

      Nice job but I'd worry that the duck tape may dry up and come loose after awhile. I did use plastic sheeting but I made it extra large so it could fit behind the speaker and be held in place with the panel snaps across the top and sides. I just put all the screws through it or punched holes as needed. I did tuck it in at the bottom.
      My 1981's scrapers are really bad, chunks missing. JC Whitney has some generics and will send free samples about 2" long. It's shown in their online catalog. I got samples of part numbers 81-9747, 81-9745, and 81-9752. The latter (smallest) one looks like it might work but I haven't try it yet.








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        Ooh! Ooh! Be sure and post if it fits! (NMI) 200







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