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oil use problem reposted from 900 section in case anyone has any ideas - long 700

ok distilling the facts from the fiction...

car 940 turbo, b230ft, garret turbo, 135k

the engine uses 1 ltr oil per 100 miles or so if driven hard..

It has had the oil leaks sorted, a new turbo etc..

The engine compression tests as follows :-

dry 155,150,135,140
wet na,170,165,190 na=couldnt work out how to get oil in there!

breathers etc are all (now) clear..they were all clear, but the oil return pipe to the engine was VERY coked/sludged up (possibly blocked!)..now clear and i can (slowly) pour oil down there...and get a peice of winscreen washer type tube down it!

The cat has been swallowing oil for a while (eg. with old turbo - although changing the turbo didnt alter the oil use!)

The exhaust has a 'crush' in it imediately before the mid box restricting the pipe (possibly to 1/2 - 3/4 or original volume)

car runs well, but if you follow it under heavy acceleration (4500 rpm full boost) it does smoke a little bit...not clouds but a small amount of darkish greyish (maybe blackish)smoke - certainly you have to be looking at the exhaust to see it!

At idle the car doesnt smoke (At all - even after extended periods)

A bucket of water with the exhaust palying over the surface at idle indicated no oil on the water surface (or if the engine is reved and held at circa 2500 rpm)

The oil use is MUCH worse on long high speed (70-80 mph) turbo using journeys, round town it uses much less (maybee 1/8th - 1/4 ltr per 100 miles)

there is oil in the turbo tubes...seems to be being drawn up the breathere tube from the oil seperator.

The air filter is newish (ok) and no restictions in the intake pipes...

17" vacume at manafold at idle, idle at 2500 rpm a couple more inches of vacume & rock steady - no decrease just sits there...(indicating no serious exhaust blockage?????)

spark plugs are nice and tan/grey, but cokey round the rims

exhaust is sooty

if you disconnect the manafold to flame trap and measure the presure on the flame trap nipple at idle you get about ambiant presure, rev the engine and it dips some...not a lot, but a definate dip...

Now given mobil 1 doesnt evaporate and im not leaking it (honestly im not!) its being burnt (and at a rate!) so principle possibles are:-

1 valve seals (how to test?)

2 rings/pistons (rulled out by compression test - for this much oil???)

3 turbo seals possibly due to excess back presure from cat/crushed exhaust?
cat looks original and NO cahnce of removing or geting the plug out without
an OXY!) the nuts are pyramid shaped!

4 Blocked breather oil return pipe leading to excess oil in breather (now
possibly cured - (could this have the effect i am seing????)

What i am looking for is (a) a consensus of opinion of which of the above is possible/likely (and why), which is most likely and what OBJECTIVE testing I can do to rule them in out...

I have no objection to spending sensible money on measurements/tools if they will help me *diagnose* the issue (eg exhaust co2 analyser)

also how much do turbo's just smoke under heavy boost (given a posible oil covered cat/oil in pipes etc)

Finally....HELP! - im running a volvo on sythetic 2 stroke in effect and it isnt cheap!








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    oil use problem reposted from 900 section in case anyone has any ideas - long 700

    "1 valve seals (how to test?)"

    There is no way to test the valve guide seals. I'm sure they need replacement at that age and mileage.

    "2 rings/pistons (rulled out by compression test - for this much oil???)"

    Have you tested the crankcase pressure? Don Foster uses a Magnehelic gauge for this.

    "3 turbo seals possibly due to excess back presure from cat/crushed exhaust?
    cat looks original and NO cahnce of removing or geting the plug out without
    an OXY!) the nuts are pyramid shaped!"

    I'll bet the turbo seals are bad. Excess back pressure should have nothing to do with this.

    "4 Blocked breather oil return pipe leading to excess oil in breather (now
    possibly cured - (could this have the effect i am seing????)"

    If there is oil in the intake, I think you have a problem with excess crankcase pressure and worn cylinders/pistons/rings.








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      oil use problem reposted from 900 section in case anyone has any ideas - long 700

      Thanks for the reply John...however couple of points to clarify...

      "There is no way to test the valve guide seals. I'm sure they need replacement at that age and mileage."

      would this be inlet or outlet...plugs are not fouled - doesnt that rule out massive use like this fro mthe inlet side?

      Have you tested the crankcase pressure? Don Foster uses a Magnehelic gauge for this.

      yep....atmospheric at idle, -1 psi or so at 2500 rpm stationary


      "I'll bet the turbo seals are bad. Excess back pressure should have nothing to do with this. "

      Turbo is new on....consumption with the old one was exactly the same--which was the reason i changed it...also intercooler has no oil to drain...and lets not forget we are tallking 1ltr in 100 or so miles here!

      "4 Blocked breather oil return pipe leading to excess oil in breather (now
      possibly cured - (could this have the effect i am seing????)"

      If there is oil in the intake, I think you have a problem with excess crankcase pressure and worn cylinders/pistons/rings.

      I am prepaired to buy this...but.... (a) compression tests ok, (b) plugs arnt fouled (c) no smoke from exhaust...

      Would the rings/pistons etc wear that badly in 135k??? - one of the reasons I bought the car was the almost legendary reliability of the b230...now it sounds like the engine could be shot at 135k (which is lets face it very low milage on any car these days...

      PS recent measurement on the exhasut indicates 4-5psi backpresure in font of the cat....abotu 1-2.5 psi after it...










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    oil use problem reposted from 900 section in case anyone has any ideas - long 700

    Needless to say you have a major oil leak. First place to look is at the oil return tube from the turbo to the block. It is about 3/4 of an inch in diameter.
    Most large leaks are from the paper gasket that seals it to the Turbo. Second place to look is the oil pan gasket. Check for oil leak comming from the area between the engine and transmission if it is there than it's the Rear Seal leaking. The last biggy is the seals around the oil feed lines to the turbo. You can see these from underneath the car. Don't forget to check the oil cooler lines and the area around the Oil Cooler unit. If it was leaking from the turbo into the intake system you would be seeing a lot of Blue smoke poring out the tail pipe. To check the Turbo seals pull the intercooler and see how much oil is sitting in the bottom. There is a screw plug on the bottom. Remove the plug and let the IC drain for a few minutes. There should be no more than a few ounces of oil in there. It only takes about 5 minutes to remove the IC and even less to reinstall.








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      oil use problem reposted from 900 section in case anyone has any ideas - long 700

      Thanks,

      I have checked all of this...

      there are NO exterior oil leaks to the engine...god knows i have looked!

      there is NO oil in the intercooler - i actually de-greased it, its done a few hundred now and the oly hint was a bout 2 drops in the recess in the plug

      all the turbo seals/pipes are new...and oil tight (eventually)..

      honestly if its leaking out of the engine other than via the exhaust pipe then its being held somewhere..and i doubt the bell housing would hold LITRES of oil..and i suspect the clutch might be slipping a bit..

      It MUST be either evaporating (????) or going out via the exhaust...but i have no/very very very little smoke...i would expect this to smoke like a destroyer....

      Could this be Mobil 0w40 cooking off????????








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        oil use problem reposted from 900 section in case anyone has any ideas - long 700

        You may have to talk to the experts over at the oil forum. These guys know everything about oil and what could be causing the oil loss and where it may be coming from and how to fix the problem. You could have a stuck piston ring, leaking valve seals just to name two that I'm aware of. You can register and post within 5 minutes. Outstanding site covering oil, filters, additives, air filters, ect... Check out the forums.
        http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php







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