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After market coil burned out computers 200 87

My 1987 240 DL With b230F engine died. Trying different things, I replace the coil with a cheapo. Turns out it did now have an internal resistor in the coil. Burned out everything. Two thousand bucks worth of new harnesses and computers.

The autoparts store says it doesn't need an internal resistor and that they are not at fault. My dealer says it does. I need some foto copies of andy Shop Manual pages which would help me prove my case to the Parts store.

They are also claiming that the wiring harness has an external resistor in the harness somewhere. Can anyone help me on this? I need to know which Manuals cover it enough to explain the need for a resistor built into the coil. My dealer hasn't responded to my request yet and I'm getting anxious.

Has anyone else ever had this experience?? I'm not normally this dumb, just want to know if I am the only one ever who did this?

My B230F now has 212,000 miles and is doing ok.

Does have rattling noises in the front end , Whats that? Ive read the archives and see hints but nothing conclusive. I,ll quit now and hope for help on the Coil problem.








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    Re: After market coil burned out computers 200 87

    FWIW, one of my repair manuals (I think it's Chilton) specifically warns that installation of the wrong coil in a 240 will damage electronic components. Even with the Bosch-fired cars, Volvo specified different coils (for example: my B21FT car has a diffent coil than my B230F - although they look identical). This advice is too late for you, but other readers should know that these coils are downright cheap - I recently paid well under $50 for one from a Volvo dealer. On the wiring harness, I'd agree with the other messages posted - I've redone the harness on both my 240s after the insulation flaked off.








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      Re: After market coil burned out computers 200 87

      I am very grateful for all the information. I just found this forum this week. Oh well, sad but wiser! I'll be checking in regularly from now on for sure.

      I have contacted the Dealer who did the work asking for proof. I'll try to post something of their answer. Meanwhile I note some of the conflicting evidence from experience and the Chilton manual. Maybe Im like some one we know clutching for the last straw. Could we recount? I detest going to court, supreme or otherwise, so was just hoping for some written documentation. I have to say the parts people who sold the coil seem to be reasonable about it all and may have been given the wrong info. Need confirmed written documentation before I or they will be convinced.

      Again, sincere thanks.

      John








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    Re: After market coil burned out computers 200 87

    As Tom remarked, check the wiring harness. Look at the intake manifold ground lugs and check the wires. If the insulation is comming off, you need a new harness. You have the year. The same thing happened to my 740T. I replaced it and opened up the old harness. Most of the insulation fell off and I wondered how the car even ran. Check it out.








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    someone's blowing smoke up your tushie 200 87

    John, you're being mushroomed....kept in dark and fed horsecrap.....if you install a coil that does not have the right primary circuit resistance, the coil will overheat and burn out.....it is rather unlikely that the wiring harness could be damaged in such a situation....POSSIBLE EXCEPTION: if the coil were to short circuit to ground, that would cause a dead short; but that still should not cause a harness meltdown--the ignition system is fused--the fuse would pop.......the ignition coil is not directly tied into the fuel injection computer, so I don't buy the story that a cheapo coil blew up the FI computer etc......a more likely scenario is this: the engine wiring harness was starting to deteriorate--the insulation on the wires in the harness crumbles and falls off the wires--wires that carry current started to touch wires that carry very low voltage signals--wires that carry sensor readings to the computer--THAT can pop a computer......also these power wires may have contacted grounding wires in the harness, and THAT can cause a meltdown......if you want to collect money from the parts house, go see an attorney; you will have to sue the parts house or the part manufacturer....to do that and win will mean that you will really have to have your shit together, cuz an ignition specialist could shoot your theory full of holes as I just did......a caveat for you: most dealership technicians and parts personnel think that aftermarket parts are crap; to their way of thinking, only OEM parts are good, everthing else is junk.....and they like to blame aftermarket parts for every problem they can....it gets them off the hook.............that may or may not be a factor in your situation.......








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    Re: After market coil burned out computers 200 87

    John,

    Looking at the ignition coil wiring diagram I don't see any circuit between it and the FI computer mounted inside the car. The only low voltage connections are direct to the ignition control unit. Can't see how the wrong coil can damage the Jetronic unit.








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      Re: After market coil burned out computers 200 87

      Volvo wiring diagram for computerized ignition system B 230 F engine in 1986 model year shows no ballast resistor for the coil. Bentley manual shows 0.9 ohm ballast resistor as part of coil circuit with the B21 F-T turbo engine only.








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    Re: After market coil burned out computers 200 87

    Well, I hope this is not too late but it may be some consolation if you have not purchased parts yet. That ECU (and ICM) are dirt cheap on Ebay. I mean you can get a 544 or 554 for $15-25, probably the same for the ICM and there are main engine harnesses for sale for not much more. That ECU is on Ebay in scads and the sellers can''t figure out why they do not sell. Failures are almost unheard of in those 86-88 cars. I would say the entire repair could be done for $100 in an afternoon. Gotta love the Brickboard community when it can save you $1900, and I hope it can still in your case.








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      Re: After market coil burned out computers 200 87

      I keep hearing about blowing these ICM and ECU's. I can use a little . Fortunetly I do not have any problems right now. I have a '89 240dl. should I be purchasing something and putting it in my "Volvo Stuff" box?? Is this the Bosch can on the passenger side? Do I have these industructable 544's or is the '89 version going to go? The only way to beat todays car world of sensors and relays is to have them on hand (when they are problematic).








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        Re: After market coil burned out computers 200 87

        Sorry to say you have the worst ECU for failure, the '89 #561. If I were you (and I do have a 91 with the same ECU and a spare on the shelf), I would bank a 561 from '90 or later, its upgrade, the 951 (sometimes labeled "Volvo reman. replaces 561")or one other that works, but I forget the number. The whole idea is to have it before the dealer says..."oh that's $700..."








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          Re: After market coil burned out computers 200 87

          Is that another E-bay deal?

          And is it the Box up against the passenger side Where an air vent on most cars would be). I do do all my wrenching but since it hasn't happened yet, I never had to know what it looks like.

          If yes on the Ebay, tell me how to define it enough to find one....Thanks








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            Re: After market coil burned out computers 200 87

            Check out Ebay Item #518410121.








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              Re: After market coil burned out computers 200 87

              I saw it. 2:00 no bids, 2:05 they met the minimum. Thanks!








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            Re: After market coil burned out computers 200 87

            Yes, that is the ECU location. It will have a Bosch number and should be 0 280 000 544or maybe 0 280 000 554 in your car. On Ebay it will be described as an ECU for an 86, 87 or 88 and will be $15 or 25with no bids. It is best to match your number exactly with the sellers Bosch number and label color is also keyed. I am not sure what the 87 takes, 544 or 554 and if they are interchangeable. You might be safest matching or verifying with a reliable source. The ICM is in the engine bay at the corner opposite the battery and has a blue label on top with something like XXXX607 or something. O'm too lazy to check but I could. As for the harness, they are in good supply too on Ebay and an 86 or 87 one should work or be darn close. Good luck. Use a good seller like DBarton or someone with a lot of good feedback.








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    Re: After market coil burned out computers 200 87

    I put in an aftermarket coil and it was mismatched to the resistor that

    my car has. This burned out my ignition box but that was the only thing

    it damaged. Your car uses the Chrylser made ignition computer. I believe

    this uses a ballast resistor that is at the right rear corner of the

    engine compartment. I not sure though, I don't know these cars as well

    as the early ones. In general this can only blow up stuff if there is

    a resistor needed and its not installed. That can cause problems by making

    the system draw too much current.

    Dave 82 242ti







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