good responses my bruthas. haven't really found rust " treatments" that work because the salt water, etc. typically gets behind the exposed metal like in the floors and rusts out the metal from inside.these rust treatment mouse milks just didn't work . only thing they worked on was your wallets weight reduction. who remembas rusty jones, zeke zeebart and billy bondo back in the 70s. common myth is that exposed metal rusts from the outside . car killing rust starts badly in the floors and the lower rear quarters. when that happens then the only remedy is welders who I have found are at the top of the list of shysters and superchargers. most of the old relics I have junked were killed by this . have found rust while present and a junker of volvos is slower in the volvo than many other makes. not sure why. the only car maker that seemed to have success with stopping rust before it started was the now defunct Saturn. my other tank is an 01saturn with no rust in the obvious places.saturn used a combination of plastic and metal. dents would even pop out overnight denying a big payday to body and fender shops. don't feel sorry. I may attend bad attitude adjustment therapy. thanks ton oldduke