I did not come across either of those actually, all the ones I saw were listed on sites that usually only list cars if they are still for sale.
I also know of 2 that have been sitting in car yards for close to a year now!!!

It's hard to beleive that a car like the 850R would have so much trouble selling, I even met someone who had a dark green sedan (my fav), and he complained that he tried to sell it 3 times, at prices that made him want to cry, and yet still no takers?, he loves the car, but wanted to move onto something newer, but now simply can't afford to sell it anymore.

If I had the money, I'd buy one in a flash, how many 8 year old cars can still blow away most of the newer rice cars around?, and at like half the price?
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My 85 760Ti, and her name is Veronica...