posted by
someone claiming to be chrisq
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Tue Aug 13 06:40 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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I keep hearing the valves make noise the clicking sound everytime the car is in idle position or even acceleration. Would it be the valves loose that need adjustments and if does, did anybody adjust their valves to stop the clicking sound? thank you.
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When the valves are making noise, is it shaking the car too? Just curious because I have a similar problem where my car shakes and sputters...
Jay
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posted by
someone claiming to be chrisq
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Wed Aug 21 11:33 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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Hi Jay,
the engine seems just fine, I don't feel any shaking except the valve making noise. Car has 52,200 miles on it and oil was changed two months ago with 10W30 synthethic, also replace oil filter with Mann. Appreciate your concern.
Chris
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When mine was doing it consistently the engine wasn't running smoothly. At the tailpipe I could hear a stumble. A stuck or leaking lifter, or one filled with air/oil could cause this. See my other post in this thread for the steps I was taking to remedy the problem. Mine cleared up after an engine flush and oil change. As a flush, I just chose a product available at Autozone that you add to the oil (1qt so drain a quart of oil first) ran the engine at idle for 5 minutes as directed and drained the oil, cooler, and changed the filter.
The stuff that came out was NASTY! Made my eyes and sinuses burn from arm's length. I took this opportunity to switch to the proper weight synthetic (for the turbo's sake), put on a Volvo filter and the problem was gone.
Good luck
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Erwin in Memphis, '95 855t
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Common complaint. It's even addressed in the owner's manual. It states that the noise should stop after a few miles/minutes. It also says don't rev beyond 3k until it does. The cam lobe or lifter face can be damaged. This topic's been covered here frequently and a search will turn up lots of hits.
Basically, the valves cannot be adjusted as the lifters are hydraulic. To troubleshoot follow these steps in order and proceed to the next until the noise stops.
1. Check your oil level. Make sure it's correct.
2. Change your oil and filter. Use the grade suggested by the manual. Probably 10W30 this time of year depending on ambient temps. Go thinner and a leaky lifter won't hold pressure. Go heavier and a partially blocked lifter or lifter gallery will prevent the lifter from pumping up properly and taking up clearance.
3. Use an engine flush product as supplied by Amsoil or BG and change your oil and filter again.
4. Replace (or have it done) the 0-rings inside the oil pan that are on the oil pickup tube and filter galleries. They deteriorate and allow the pump to suck a little air causing oil cavitation. Result; noisy lifters.
5. Replace lifter(s). They're available relatively cheap online but replacement is a very labor intensive job require you have or make special tools.
Mine stopped making noise after step 3. You wouldn't believe the toxic crap that came out of the engine. That was 8,000 miles ago.
Good luck.
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Erwin in Memphis, '95 855t
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posted by
someone claiming to be chrisq
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Wed Aug 21 11:44 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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Hi Erwin,
Thanks for your detailed expertise, I have'nt done anything yet to the car except a mechanic look at it and told that lifters are bad...a few, but not all, when he say not all, how many is he talking about and how much would this cost in mail order.
With your suggestion #2 in using a 10W30, I've already changed my oil two months ago when the car has 51,500 miles using a 10W30 synthetic and replaced oil filter with Mann. The car has presently 52,200 miles or 100 more.
I'll appreciate if you could again share your expertise.
Chris
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posted by
someone claiming to be Herb
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Thu Aug 15 00:09 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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Quote: "The cam lobe or lifter face can be damaged"
I've never seen or heard of this in my practical experience nor have I heard of this from any VCNA people. IMHO, that's pure speculation here and something would have to interfer with that surface to cause that kind of damage as it's normally not a surface that wears prematurely on any engine EXCEPT late 70s Chevy 305s (were known for bad, "soft cams" then). We won't talk about the old 760 V6s either :(
The only things that could cause cam lobe or lifter face damage on a white engine would be oil starvation (extreme lack of oil, lack of oil changes) or debris of some kind and if either of those have occured enough to cause cam lobe wear, the engine itself would also be in questionable condition.
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Ok, I'll always defer to experience with the system in question. I based my comment on my experience with improperly hardened lifter faces in Moto Guzzi motorcycles of which I've replaced a few. I have a neat collection. I can't imagine then, why Volvo recommends not revving past 3k until the noise abates. I'd have to think they're concerned about valvetrain damage.
Regards,
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Erwin in Memphis, '95 855t
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I gave up on getting rid of my lifter noise and just drove it normally and hard from time to time for 10,000 miles. i can say that it will finish your cams as mine are now worn out. There is a noticable difference between the used ones I bought and the old ones. I eventually just had to park it because the lifter noise started to sound to me like it would do more damage than just the cams/lifters... and I don't have time to play with it right now.
I plan on just tearing her apart once i get time and see what is needed to correct the problem.
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'94 855 5spd 'Drew' 205,500 Miles *** Never assume that your factory timing marks are correct UNLESS you know for a fact WHO has been in there and WHAT they have done!! ASK ME HOW I KNOW!!! ***
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posted by
someone claiming to be Herb
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Tue Aug 13 13:37 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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Before you think about lifter problems which would be highly unlikely, do check or have someone else check your oil pressure first. I'm assuming that your oil level is full and that it's not old, dirty oil? Believe it or not, I'm seeing 850s by our shop where they're complaining of engine noise so I check and find that the engine's oil level is 4 qts low! (yes) and dirty too. After an oil change, and a test drive, the engine sounds normal again. Leaking oil? yes.
Now.....if the engine's oil is clean and the level's full, and you still have noisy lifters, chances are good that there's an o-ring problem between either the sump and oil pump or the two filter housing o-rings (all excessable only by removing the oil pan. Do not have someone replace lifters or cams and lifters until you've first checked oil pressure and removed the oil pan. I have yet to hear about "bad lifters" on a white engine so far.
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Chris - How about more info? As much as you can provide. Oil and engine noises are frequent topics discussed, more information would help all of us.
What oil and filter do you use? How often do you change it? How many miles on your car? Have you owned it since it was new?
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2 8s & 2 7s 600,000 miles total
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posted by
someone claiming to be chrisq
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Wed Aug 21 11:24 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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Hi James,
Sorry not to respond quickly to your response. My 855 has presently 52,200 miles and oil was changed two months ago at 50,500 using 10w30 synthetic 6 quarts of oil and filter was replaced too.
Engine is not shaking or anything, it seems just fine running smooth except hearing the lifters as per others experience.
Thanks for your concern and everyone.
Chris
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I would suggest that you do an oil flush. Drain the oil, don't remove the filter, add 4 qts of ATF, start the engine and let it idle for 15 mins. Drain ver y good ( a longer than normal time) , replace the filter, add the proper amount of good oil. 10W30 should do it, unless you're in a real hot environment. I also advocate changing oil and filter every 3K miles. Just because oil is the cheapest maint.
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Moregolf,
Can you point me to some authoritative reference which recommends "flushing" an automotive engine with ATF.
This may work, and it may be a great idea, but it sounds so far-fetched.
Is there an automtive manufacture's web site, or an oil company web site, or something you can point me to to get a handle on why ATF is a usable "flush."
In the days when engines need to be decarborized, I can remember recommendations to pour dry, uncooked rice down the carburetor throat, while the car was running full throttle, in order to clean out the combustion chambers.
I am not saying that your proposed technique is wrong--I have no basis to say that--but I would like to get more information.
Thanks.
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Worse case scenario would be valve damage.
BUT I did notice that annoying clicking sound when my oil level dipped 1/2 quart or so. The sound would disappear after adding the oil or if I did an oil change. Another thing that my mechanic advised was if you use an aftermarket oil filter it may not have valve in it to prevent the oil from pooling in the filter (therefore less in the engine). Either use a Mann filter or original Volvo filters.
You can also use a heavier weight oil such as 15W-40.
Good luck.
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