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Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

As it has been posted several times in the past, the new T5's run harder and faster when fed a steady diet of high octane fuel. Until recently, the three grades commonly available in California were 87, 89, and 92.

When filling up my car yesterday, I was pleased when I compared the price I was paying for my usual 92 ($2.09/gal) to the posted price across the street ($2.16/gal). That was until I noticed that the fuel I was pumping was 91 octane! This is the same station I had been going to for almost a year because their 92 was always a few cents cheaper than the competition's. I then checked out the local AM/PM. Sure enough, they had switched from 92 to 91 as well!

So be aware, check the octane rating at the pump as it appears that several gasoline distributors and/or retailers (at least in CA) are trying to pull a fast one on unsuspecting (or uncaring) motorists.

Bruce

'01 V70 T5, DOB 3/00, 6700 mi, white/taupe/tint, Mobil1, FID 540 & 616








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    Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

    The ripoff is in the marketing of the so-called "Premium" gas, not one octane point. I have always run 87o gas in my cars except when I get doubtful and try a few tankfuls of high-cost stuff. Have not been able to convert myself yet. My present car, S70 is not turbo-charged, but I have owned a turbo Mazda 626 before this car. The difference was never enough to justify the cost, though in a turbo a little more prominent. The only advantage to the "Premium" is the detergent package, which is a big un-known (no gas brand discloses their additives to my knowledge). So, instead of paying for the un-known detergent package in the "Premium", I buy regular gas and run fuel system cleaner through the car now and again. I also perform "Italian Tune-up" every weekday as a matter of course while driving on the highway part of my commute to work. Car runs great, and all my previous cars always ran great on regular. I've put on several 100's of thousand miles on my cars in my life, mostly on regular gas. Never had an engine problem. Conclusion: PREMIUM GAS IS A RIPPOF 91, 92, what have you. If the car doesn't knock on 87 anything more expensive is a waste. Some older (80's) American cars knocked like crazy on anything less than 93. This is the only application for the stuff IMO. AAA had a write-up on this subject years ago with similar conclusions.

    Sorry if I offend anyone, just have a tough time keeping quite on this subject.









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    Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

    You know what's really funny...

    >I was pleased when I compared the price I was paying for my usual 92 ($2.09/gal) to the posted price across the street ($2.16/gal)<

    I wish I was pleased paying $2.09/gal! Sounds like the oil industry has brainwashed us into thinking +$2.00/gal is ok! With the media forcasting $3/gal this summer in CA(who knows?)... how would you guys like paying $65 to fill up! ouchh!

    We're all on the same team... we should be more concerned with paying $2.16 for our favorite blend vs. $1.89 a few weeks ago. But instead, we argue about 92 vs. 91.

    I don't know about you guys... but if I could get 91 octane at $1.89/gal again I would take it & my T5 would be just as happy... not to mention my pocket book :(

    BTW: What are you guys paying for Super & where??? I filled up at the new Costco Gas 2 weeks ago & payed $1.99/gal for Super. Maybe it was actually 90.5 octane... my fault, I didn't check ;)

    Testing 0-60 in your car will mean faster $60-$0 in the bank :)

    Roll on -

    Rob









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      Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

      In Southeastern Pennsyvania, the range for Premium (93 Octane) is anywhere from $1.79 to $1.94 per gallon. I usually pay $1.82 or $1.84. The $1.79 is from Hess, Gulf or Grocery stores that happen to sell gas. This price gouging really stinks and our....illustrious president is washing his hands, like he would do anything against Big Oil...

      Yannis








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      Octane this! V70-XC70 2001

      Rob -

      According to the link you put up, there are no gas stations in my zip code! What the heck have I been paying all this money for? :)

      While I mostly use Chevron, I do fill up at Costco in Sacramento whenever I'm there. Haven't been there recently, but they're usually 10c cheaper than what I pay locally, so that should make them $2.05 for super.

      Can't afford natural gas, don't have any electricity, and now gasoline is slowly getting out of reach. Isn't it about time for a drought too? If you decide to move here to CA, please bring your own rock under which to crawl.

      - Darell








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    Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

    Perhaps "Ripoff" was too harsh. All I wanted to do was to let everyone know that some retailers are now selling 91 instead of 92. Just a heads up for something to watch out for if you are comparing pump prices. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused.








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    Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

    Be sure and let us know how many nanoseconds longer it takes your car to

    get to 60 mph now...

    > trying to pull a fast one on unsuspecting (or uncaring) motorists.

    You mean by getting them to buy higher octane than that from which they can

    benefit?

    What's next? A reduction in line voltage from 115 to 114 volts?

    - Dave; '95 854T, 111K mi










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      Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

      Dave -

      You should really be a talk-show host. The ease with which you piss people off is truly amazing. Do you do this on purpose, or do you actually believe all the stuff you spout? I try and try not to respond...but just can't help myself.....like lemmings to the sea, go I.

      According to you, the 2001 T5 engine is NOT optimized for 92 octane? If it truly is not, can you tell us for what it IS optimized? Are all anti-knock properties wasted above 89?

      Should I try kerosene? That stuff is CHEAP.

      Do you think it's good business practice to sell 11oz cans of soft drinks for the same price as the standard 12oz cans?

      Thanks for your time Dave,

      Darell








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        one point to Dave V70-XC70 2001

        Dave -

        I'm graciously conceding the point that the T5 engine is noted to be optimized for 91 RON. My bad.

        - Darell








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      Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

      > What's next? A reduction in line voltage from 115 to 114 volts?

      Actually, its 115 to 0 volts in California these days :(









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      Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

      Now I really feel cheated. Best we can get in Colorado is 89. Are they going to drop it to 88? Will I have to "86" the brick and buy a Geo?








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      Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

      Nanoseconds? Chill Dave, Chill. If my T5's 0-60 time improved from 12 sec. to 9 sec. by switching from 87 to 92, I'm reasonably certain that switching from 92 to 91 would result in a performance loss that could be measured in great big fractions of a second, not teenie-weenie nanoseconds.

      But that is not the point of my first post. I just wanted to inform those those people that want every nanosecond advantage they can get to check the pump when they fill up. Some stations that used to sell 87. 89, and 92 aren't advertising the fact that they switched to 87, 89 and 91.

      Bruce








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        Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

        > If my T5's 0-60 time improved from 12

        > sec. to 9 sec. by switching from 87 to 92,

        That's a HUGE "if". If true, it indicates your engine has problems (it's

        full of crud, and it's an octane junkie). Did you make these numbers up?

        9 sec 0-60 still sounds substandard to me. If you've been using cheap gas,

        maybe that's the problem... I'll bet that a clean engine on 89 will be

        happier and thus stronger and thus faster (not to mention more efficient

        and more economical to operate) than a dirty engine on 91 or 92.

        > I'm reasonably certain

        > that switching from 92 to 91 would result in a performance loss that

        > could be measured in great big fractions of a second,

        So try it. Nothing beats a trial like a failure. (Or worry about it just

        in case it might actually be true.)

        "Great big fractions of a second"? Never heard that one before.

        No great big difference in 1 octane rating point. You must think that

        they used to provide 92.00000 and now it's 91.00000, even though we live

        in an imprecise world. I guarantee you that even if you always fill

        up from the same pump/nozzle, you never get exactly the same octane twice

        in a row anyway.

        I suppose you'd prefer a price ripoff to an octane ripoff, but if your

        engine were not such an octane junkie, neither would matter as much to

        your car/wallet. The higher octane is helping your engine deal with a

        symptom, but without that 'drug' you may be forced to treat the cause of

        the problem, which is always a better approach anyway. I suggest you try

        3-4 tankfuls of Chevron or Texaco or some other major brand that includes

        one of the more advanced cleaning additive packages (it should boast about

        its ability to keep the intake valves/tract clean...).

        You've only covered 6700 miles in 14 months???!

        1. You don't burn enough gasoline to worry about the change anyway!

        2. Your car is probably suffering from under-use. It may need more

        than 3-4 tankfuls of good gas, and some time spent out on the open road.

        So, thanks for noticing this Orwellian change and spreading the word, but I

        don't find it alarming (disappointing, maybe, but not alarming), especially

        since I believe 91 is what's recommended (for performance) for your car.

        There are plenty of areas in the U.S. where 91 is higher than what's

        available...

        Higher octane does not equate to higher quality.

        Higher octane does not equate to higher energy content.

        Higher octane does equate to additional (carcinogenic) additives.

        Higher octane does equate to higher prices.

        Higher octane does allow a turbochared engine to run more boost. (But so

        does having an engine that's clean inside, making the cleaning additive

        package more important than 1 octane rating point.)

        If every customer wanted to pay more money for that "great big fraction of

        a second", the oil companies would have a tiny revolt on their hands,

        alright.

        - Dave; '95 854T, 111K mi










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          Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

          Dave,

          Now I remember why I switched to V-Spy & SwedeSpeed.








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            Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

            For someone who only goes 6700 miles in 14 months, you're the champ at

            getting the most boards per mile. I'm sure if you try REAL hard, you can

            find others, too.

            > Perhaps "Ripoff" was too harsh. All I wanted to do was to let everyone know

            > that some retailers are now selling 91 instead of 92. Just a heads up for

            > something to watch out for if you are comparing pump prices. Sorry for any

            > confusion this may have caused.

            ...common condition when folks fail to say what they mean and mean what

            they say.









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              Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

              Dave,

              You've lost your spinning wheel... did it fall off?

              I really like the spinning wheel.








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            Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

            Ohhhhhh Bruce....

            I'm afraid that might have been better left unsaid. (shhh!)

            - Darell








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      Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

      Dave,

      Want to argue about Pounds-Force vs. Pounds-Mass again?

      Bruce








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        Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

        The lower octane rating may be the result of U.S. environmental laws.

        Summer gasoline is different than winter gasoline. Some cities in the U.S.A. are required by law to dispense reformulated fuel in the summer. I live in Dallas and we are stuck with this ???? gas.

        The following article does not relate to the octane rating, but it does say that a higher level of reformulated gas has been mandated. Reformulated gas is known to be more expensive and decrease your gas mileage. You may want to see if the gas stations in your area just switched to the summer blend. :( If that is what happened, you could call your congressman. If it is the gas station, go elsewhere.

        I must admit that it is fun to blame the oil companies. I must also say that I like clean air. Be glad that you do not have the same "oygenated" gas as residents in Colorado.

        Good Luck!








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          Re: Octane Ripoff! 92 vs. 91 V70-XC70 2001

          all 92 does in prevent pre ignition. 89oct is the power getter.. unless you go with jet gas 112oct.. but if 91oct scares you just put in some octane boost maybe a spoon-full will bring it up to 92oct.







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