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Finally Passed Emission Inspection!!! 200

Well, finally made it today. After a new CAT she was still giving a 3.2 to 3.5 on the CO..We have tried everything including swapping a new AMM. O2 sensor is giving a good reading but we decided to go ahead and put a new one in. BINGO!! CO reading went down to .20 on both high and low speed. Somebody on this board suggested that to me last week. He said the o2 sensor could be "dying a slow death" and he is right.. I can't find that post but thanks to you and you know who you are. Please stand up and be recognize. once again thanks to all!!! O2 sensor lesson learned, don't always trust readings specially if the car's history is unknown...Maybe like a false positive??
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ReySC.. '86 744 GLE (Daily Driver),94 944T 87 244 DL . http://groups.msn.com/Reysc/myvolvophotoalbum.msnw?Page=1








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You're welcome. 200

Reysc, You're welcome, I'm glad to help.

Also, you are correct in assuming that your O2 sensor could give you a "False Positive" reading. What happens is that as the O2 sensor approaches the end of it's life, it doesn't produce as much voltage as it did when it was new. Thus it reads a bit low, and the car thinks that it's reading low because the mixture is lean. The car richens the mixture to get a 'correct' reading from the sensor. -and it works, the sensor voltage climbs back up to normal, but now the car is running rich. This cycle continues until the sensor completely dies, and the car can't enrichen the mixture any further. Take note that your sensor can "die a slow death" and cause your car to run rich for a significant amount of time before you can detect the problem with a voltmeter. (For those of you with the 2.4 and 3.1 comptuers, you can still be running rich before the Onboard Diagnostic Computer can see that the sensor has failed, -which wouldn't be triggered until the mixture is already very rich and the sensor voltage still reads low/lean or is entirely dead.)

If you're wondering how to test an O2 sensor to see if it's in the early stages of death, the only method that I can think of would be to have a brand new O2 sensor in the same exhaust stream and compare the readings. If the old sensor reads fewer volts than the new sensor, then it's dying and causing your car to run rich. -but most people probably aren't interested in drilling a second mount for an O2 sensor in their exhaust manifold.

I need to take heed of my own advise and replace my O2 sensor. I just acquired my '87 Volvo 240 a few months ago and I'm getting about 19 mpg when I should be getting 25 or so. We don't have emissions testing in my neck of the woods (Western Michigan area) but I'd bet that this is the culprit of my problems (even though my sensor still reads a correct mixture). I'm driving my '86 Pontiac 6000 in the meantime until I can drop the cash for a new sensor.

Glad to hear your car is on the road, God bless,
Fitz Fitzgerald.



Your previous post (Texas Emission Woes):
http://www.brickboard.com/RWD/index.htm?id=615250&show_all=1

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From your emission numbers, you might be running just a hair on the rich side.

Quote: >> This car has not been running for maybe 6 mos. O2 sensor AMM has been checked and Fuel pressure regulator is new. <<

I wonder if your O2 sensor is dying a slow death. As they die, they tend to read fewer and fewer volts (showing an artificially lean condition). Your computer would richen the mixture to compensate for it. If you're unsure of how old the O2 sensor is or how many miles are on it, it may be time to swap it for a new one. And remember, when changing an O2 sensor, make sure to keep it away from water. (aka, don't change it in the rain). Getting water in these sensors is very bad and can possibly kill a new one before you get a chance to use it.
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'87 Blue 245, NA 214K








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Finally Passed Emission Inspection!!! 200

"O2 sensor lesson learned, don't always trust readings specially if the car's history is unknown...Maybe like a false positive?? "


Hey, I wasn't the guy, but I always trust my readings... How did you take the readings and what were they? You can't really characterize a slow oxygen sensor with a digital voltmeter. Was this the 87? Did you repeat the readings with the new sensor yet?

Congratulations on getting the test done!
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Art Benstein near Baltimore








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Finally Passed Emission Inspection!!! 200

It was my Volvo Guru who was checking it since the car was hooked up to his analyzer. I haven't check the reading after it passed because the CO reading has significantly gone down to .20 (from 3.3) after we have installed the new onw..
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ReySC.. '86 744 GLE (Daily Driver),94 944T 87 244 DL . http://groups.msn.com/Reysc/myvolvophotoalbum.msnw?Page=1








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Finally Passed Emission Inspection!!! 200

"It was my Volvo Guru who was checking it since the car was hooked up to his analyzer."

Oh, okay. Thanks. Saved me from another chance to go on at length on the fine points of our narrowband lambda sensors. They're not really a black art, they're 25 year old technology.

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Art Benstein near Baltimore







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