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71 142E Idle problem 140-160

Hi guys,
I have posted this question before, but want to ask again because I have yet to fix the problem.

My car is a factory D-jet, with the only mod being the perlux ignition. I have a serious idle problem. When I first start it from cold, it usually performs normally at around 800 rpm. After I drive it a minute or so, it will not drop below 2000 RPM. Last week, it shot up to 3000 rpm, and I decided that it was simply too dangerous to drive anymore until I get a definitive reason and a fix.

It seems to be mechanical, because if I 'tap' the gas pedal while it is in a high idle state, sometimes it will rise or fall a few hundred. I know that it is not the throttle cable or butterfly valve.

In an earlier post, someone mentioned that it could be the lower points on the distributor that control the firing. Perhaps it is the air bypass motor?

Any ideas? The weather is finally warm and I want to put some miles on her!

Please help if you can.

Thanks,

Jeremy

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71 142E and a yard full of 240's in Mass.








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    71 142E Idle problem 140-160

    Jeremy,
    On my 71 B20E I have been having the high idle problem as well, with the same kick down effect on the RPM if you open and close the throttle quickly.
    I have been through everything looking for an air leak and mine difinately is at the throttle valve. I would get the rpm tuned reasonalbly down to 1000 RPM and with my fingers reached in the throttle and manually pushed the butterfly valve completely closed, feeling a "catch" in the seating of the valve with the throttle body as it closed completely.
    I have lessoned the degree of air leakage with butterfly valve adjustment but it is tricky, I have some sort of worn seating of the valve in the throttle body that messes up the adjustment.
    Try reaching in with your fingers and "feel" how the valve is closing, and whether pushing it closed manualy will lower your idle speed.
    North Carolina is an excellent place with 70 degree bright sunshine all day today. You really should get a job transfer. Good luck.
    Joel








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    71 142E Idle problem 140-160

    More information:
    Although I earlier stated that if I "tap" the throttle, it sometimes slows the idle, it is not exactly mechanically connected. It seems that the sudden increase in RPM causes whatever is sticking to loosen, not the throttle itself.
    In short, the tapping of the throttle does not directly influence the idle speed. I will check the seals and butterfly as posted. Hopefully this will help.

    Thanks guys,


    jeremy
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      71 142E Idle problem 140-160

      Oh, that just triggered a thought. Maybe it is a sticky vacuum retard on the distributor. Try unplugging it and seeing if the idle is more even. ack when I had mine hoked up it was rather sticky and sluggish - it would have a fast idle for a little bit until the vacuum slowly retarded the timing and slowed it down.
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        71 142E Idle problem 140-160

        Could be a factor in a somewhat fast idle, but a 3000 rpm idle can only be unwanted air getting into the intake manifold from someplace.








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          71 142E Idle problem 140-160

          Phil,
          Thanks for the info. If I read your response correctly, you indicate that a +3000 prm idle could not be distributor problem? It has reached 3500 a few time.

          Thanks,
          Jeremy
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            71 142E Idle problem 140-160

            Yeah - in my case it was the difference between about 1500 and 800. Not 3000 - 3500. It has to be some large unwanted air leak somewhere.
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    71 142E Idle problem 140-160

    Solder the decel valve in the throttle plate closed to eliminate it as a cause.
    Check all of the usually brittle hoses to and from the auxiliary air valve. Clamp them up tight.








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    71 142E Idle problem 140-160

    The air bypass valve usually just sticks in some odd position (sometimes open, sometimes closed). If you wanted to eliminate it as a suspect, just plug one of the hoses - it pulls filtered air in from in front of the threottle valve, and releases it behind the valve.

    It sounds like an air leak somewhere in the intake system to me. I'd double check that the throttle valve is able to close completely - when they get worn or if the valve disc gets loose on the shaft it will tend to hang open slightly.

    Other than that there are the various fittings on the manifold - for example the brake booster - it could be leaking and sucking in air. The manifold gasket on the head. The injector base seals.
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    71 142E Idle problem 140-160

    Are your throttle shaft seals in good shape? How about the hoses on the aux
    air valve? To me the symptoms REALLY sound like a loose butterfly, because
    that is about the only thing that tapping on the throttle would affect. Or
    maybe some dirt or other obstruction that keeps it from closing all the way.
    (I sucked a wire into mine approaching a toll gate on the turnpike once and
    it did that.) Maybe something getting under the throttle stop and keeping it
    from closing?

    I'm sure that when you find it you will kick yourself!

    Best regards!
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    George Downs Bartlesville, Heart of the USA!








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      71 142E Idle problem 140-160

      George,
      I have inspected the mechanical side completely. I put a new spring and inspected the whole setup. I really believe that it is not in the mechanical section of the throttle cable. I will go ahead and tear apart the butterfly, as it is not a big job.
      Thanks for your help.... wish I was in Oklahoma instead of Mass....

      I am trying to get a transfer to North Carolina. It HAS to be better than here.

      Jeremy

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        71 142E Idle problem 140-160

        I had the same problem in my 71 142. The Brake booster check valve was leaking. It idled at about 2000 RPM. I had problems with power brakes too, so if your brakes are fine then I would check something else.
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