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RPM drop when brake pedal pumped (during Brake Failure light) 200 1989

Lately I've been having some issues with my car that I think all have to do with my Brake Failure light. The warning light is illuminated in the dash, but I'm not too sure why. The switch (whatever that is) is supposedly working, and the Master Cylinder is in good condition, as far as I know.

My Brake Failure light came on for the first time while driving last week. Here's my post on the matter.

We took the car into the shop, after the mechanics looked over it the first time, and the rear brake pads were replaced. The Master Cylinder did not fall apart or "break" during the repair, so it was not replaced. As far as we can tell, it's still working properly.

Yesterday the Brake Failure light came on for a second time. I noticed it in the afternoon, and so I planned to take the car by the repair shop after work. The mechanic had said to let him see it, should the light come on again. However, on the ride home (perhaps during a hard left U-turn in a parking lot) the light went off, and so I did not go to the shop (there was nothing to see).

However, this morning, the light greeted me when I started the car. It seemed a little brighter than it had been before (check out the above thread to see how it was dim the first two times). I pumped the brake pedal, in hopes of causing it to go off, and after ten or so depressions the RPMs of the motor dropped and the car came somewhat close to stalling. They immediately rebounded, and I stopped to see what would happen. The idle was pretty smooth.

So, I tried it again. Again, after depressing the brake pedal a number of times, the RPMs dropped by a visible (tach) and audible amount.

I drove to work. The brakes seem to work the same, and the stopping power is consistent. There's none of that pedal-to-the-floor stuff from a leaking Master Cylinder.

When I stopped and put the car in Park, I tried again. This time, I could not get the RPMs to fall when the brake pedal was depressed.

I haven't noticed any leaks, but I haven't looked too hard either. At work, I parked on gravel and grass, so it was a little tough to see if there was a puddle of anything. When I get home, I'll check to see if there are spots from this morning, and I'll keep an eye out for any new ones.

If the Brake Failure light is still on after work, I'm going to take the car to the shop. Hopefully they can figure out the problem, though I wish it would resolve itself on its own.

Does anyone have any idea what my problem could be?
Does anyone know why my RPMs drop when the brake pedal is pushed a bunch?
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'89 244 GL -- 105,XXX miles (see profile for info on car)








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    RPM drop when brake pedal pumped (during Brake Failure light) 200 1989

    Some loss of engine speed is normal if you pump the pedal enough times. The engine has to replenish the vacuum in the booster. When it does that it pulls in some of the air from the booster that normally would have been pulled through and measure by the AMM. It's no big deal. All cars will do that if you try hard enough.

    But just to ease your mind, to check for leaks in the booster turn the engine off. Wait a few minutes, then pump the brake pedal a few times. If the diaphragm and check valve are good, you should have enough vacuum stored in the booster for roughly 5 pumps. If the booster is shot you will not have any vacuum assist.

    As for the light check the brake fluid resevoir and see if it is dropping. Also disconnect the wire from the brake balancing switch to confirm whether the brake warning light is coming on because of the brake switch or some other electrical fault.

    Try a fast stop somewhere straight and quiet. Can you get four solid tire patches or does the car pull wildly to one side or spin out of control, careening down an enbankment?

    The brake balance switch can be replaced if it is faulty, and will require another bleeding of course. A well-equipped shop would have brake pressure gauges they could hook up to all four wheels to see if there is a pressure imbalance that is responsible for activating the brake warning light.








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    RPM drop when brake pedal pumped (during Brake Failure light) 200 1989

    I agree with Pete you have two different problems but somewhat related. Yes the booster is the most likly problem for the RPM drop. Check the one way valve for leaks or maybe the vacuum line going to it. As for the failure light the common problem is a sticking valve in the warning switch. I have had this problem before and did what many people said to do which is to start the car, then stomp on the brake pedal a few times to make the valve return via backpressure after hitting the brakes.. You have to stomp on the pedal fairly hard a few times. But please do not use both feet you might break something..I did mine twice and it returned to normal. If this does not fix it then do a search on this board for failure warning light, you will find several post on how to replace it or how to open it up and move the valve. You might want to bleed the brakes just to make sure but please follow the bleeding procedure for these brakes as there are 10 bleeder valves and they have to be done in order..Good luck... Max








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      Update and thanks 200 1989

      The light went off when I was driving the car an hour ago, so that seems consistent with something getting "stuck" after sitting for a while. If the light comes back on, I'll try to remember under what conditions that happens.

      I'll stomp the pedals when I start up the car next time. Hopefully that will fix the light.

      My car does not have ABS brakes.

      I'm not sure how I'll handle the booster problem. Isn't this a problem that should have been detected during a check-over with the Brake Failure light, or noticed when the rear brake pads were changed? Could the shop have caused a leak?

      Is the RPM drop something that needs immediate attention? I never noticed it before, until I was trying to remedy the Brake Failure warning light problem.

      Thanks for the quick and informative replies.
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      '89 244 GL -- 105,XXX miles (see profile for info on car)








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        Update and thanks 200 1989

        The rpm drop is because a small volume of air is entering the intake manifold from the brake booster/line. If the car runs well without any braking applied, then it's most likely the rear sealing section at the back of the brake booster. The main diaphram if leaking would allow continuous air to enter, and you would experience poor idle and performance always. This would also be true if your vacuum line had a leak.
        The rear booster seal is a 'virtual leak', not actually leaking the air into the intake manifold from outside atmosphere, but just displacing some air inside the booster while pressing the pedal. There is a simple re-build kit for this from ATE or Volvo.
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        '89 245 Sportwagon, '04 V70 2.5T Sportwagon








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    RPM drop when brake pedal pumped (during Brake Failure light) 200 1989

    You have two problems. One is the RPM drop is due to a faulty brake booster servo or check valve or leaking vacuum line to the servo(this is the large round canister connnected to the master cyl). The brake warning light is a separate problem and not connected (directly) to the rpm drop. The brake fluid distribution block which is below the driver side fenderwall is the location of the block where all the brake lines come together from the master cylinder. The light comes on if the pressure switch sees a differential pressure in any of the lines.
    Oh another thing, does your car have the optional ABS brakes? If so, there may be a problem with the ABS unit, and it would be different than the above switch, but the system needs checking either way.
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    '89 245 Sportwagon, '04 V70 2.5T Sportwagon







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