posted by
someone claiming to be Speedy240
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Thu Jul 24 17:33 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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HI all, I was looking at a 960 turbo and put a post up asking question about it. I wasn't aware of it being an odd car. I know where there is one, I am going to test drive it, and possibly buy it. Since I asked about it, I have decided to keep my current 200 series. But if I can help figure out what it is, I'd like to. I will get the VIN# and maybe go from there, I checked out the engine, it does have a turbocharger, but I just assumed that it was a 6-cyl, but maybe not?..anyway, if anyone is interested, I will post my findings. Also, with this car, I noticed the automatic gear shifter can be put in any position when parked, with no key in the ignition..I know this is bad, but is it easily fixed? thanks, and take care. Ben
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Let's get things straight. Volvo never made a turbo version of either the V6 nor the inline six for either the 200 series, 700 series or the 900 series. They did make a 960 Turbo sold as such in Europe but in the US, this was called a 940 GLE or a 940 SE. If you do not believe me, check out this car.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6460&item=2424907935
This is a 960, it has the 960 dash, the 960 front and the 960 hood. Look at the VIN, decode it with the BB FAQ. It clearly comes out as a 960 with a B230FT.
http://www.swedishbricks.net/faq/700900.html#b27
This posting on Swedishbricks is simply full of nonsense. I have said it before and I will say it again. Forget the "second digit is the number cylinders" rule, it ain't true...
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George Holmer, Belgium, Europe, 1987 745 GLE Turbo Diesel Intercooler (D24TIC/ZF22) 200k; 1992 940 SE Turbo (B200FT/M46) 142k http://www.ttsservices.co.uk/my%20volvos.htm
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ditto...its all down to markets....
also in europe i believe an SE is not the same as USA SE, in fact from what I have seen in europe SE should probably stand for 'substandard equipment'
over here we also have cars such as the 'wentworths' which were equipment packages....
we also have the wonderfull (sic) b200ft's....
etc etc etc..one day someone should get all this stuff together into a spreadsheet by market...
i believe there was even a 780t with a turbo 6 engine...never seen one but i believe it was done for (possibly) the italian market....
certainly i would not be suprised if cars with the PRV 6 unit had turbo's fitted at some time as this same unit was (i believe) used in a renault supercar (A10????) and turboed..
as to what can be put in what...the answer is anything with enough time and money...
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>i believe there was even a 780t with a turbo 6 engine...never seen one but i believe it was done for (possibly) the italian market.... <
The anwser is no, they did not. They did do a B204FT which is a B200FT with a B234F head. This engine was sold in the 780 and in the 960 for a few years on some markets such as Italy and Belgium.
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George Holmer, Belgium, Europe, 1987 745 GLE Turbo Diesel Intercooler (D24TIC/ZF22) 200k; 1992 940 SE Turbo (B200FT/M46) 142k http://www.ttsservices.co.uk/my%20volvos.htm
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there were 960 turbos, but not in the N.A. market and not 6cyl turbos. In 1991, when N.A. got the 940SE (basically a 960 with turbo-4) some other countries got the same car but dubbed the "960 Turbo". Also, some countries got a "960-Turbo" through the '94? model year, but again, it was a 4cyl. turbo (a B200FT I think).
A REAL 960 turbo would be cool, it's a shame Volvo didn't produce one. Also a shame they didn't produce a REAL 760 turbo.
I've often thought taking an S80 T6 motor and dropping it in the 960 would be an interesting project...
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Sure. The 940SE was called the 960 Turbo in other markets.
I believe that if you check the VIN on a 940SE, you'll see it's got the model designation of a 960.
I think I'd miss a 760T more than a 960T if only because the 760 eventually got a V6 that had most of the bugs worked out of it. Quite frankly a 950T would have been a really slick car too..
- alex
'85 244 Turbo
'84 245 Turbo
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I wonder if one could use the twin turbos from an S80? I am sure the electronics would have to rewired using the newer ecm. But imagine the car with another 50-75 horses.
Just dreamin,
DanR 94 964 228,000 miles
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DanR
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posted by
someone claiming to be tjts1
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Fri Jul 25 07:53 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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I think its possible. I've been watching how the value of 99-00 S80s has dropped like a rock making the project more feasable. I think it would be possible to fool the Motronic 1.8 on the early 960s to run a b6284FT. Basically ditch the S80 wiring harness completely. The intercooler routing would have to be rodone and also the oil pan has to be switched. The A341LE transmission in the 960 is the same as that used in the early 90s Lexus V8s as well as the Supra. The only real modification to the transmission might be the torque converter. There is a company in LA that specializes in this particular trasmission. I don't remember it off the top of my head.
MVP Tuning has done a genuine 960 turbo swap. Check it out at
http://www.mvpvolvo.com/frm_index.cfm?CFID=2126939&CFTOKEN=13427620&gear=3P4&tooth=8
94 965 85K
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I think the only thing to trip this up would be the transmission. The S80 has a different trans obviously, not only because it is FWD, but the ecm for the trans. The S80 ecm would not recognize the RWD trans. Also since I rarely enter the FWD section of this board, I seem to remember hearing that some of the sensors from the S80 are fiber optic. So if any of the sensors controlling the turbos were fiber optic then one would be forced to use the harness from the S80, then you still have a trans problem. One would be forced to rewrite all that software, if that was even possible. I imagine the bolt holes to the block are the same between FWD and RWD transmissions.
I am getting close to replacing the engine in my car, sometime early fall. The engine I am getting is a 93 that has never been run, it was use by Volvo here in the midwest to show the mechanics where all the sensors were located. The only thing missing is the plastic cover over the coils, everything else is there including the manifolds. Just kind of thinking, while this thing was sitting in the garage what else could be done to it make it a little quicker.
DanR 94 964 228,000 miles
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DanR
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What an interesting project. I really don't see why the S80 exhaust manifolds couldn't be used on a 960. Add a pair of turbos, keep the boost low and have lots of fun.
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Warren Bain - '99 V70GLT G-Valve > 70K mi, '96 965 >110Kmi Wifemobile near Manassas Va.. Check the 700/900 FAQ via the 'features' pull down menu.
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I've thought about that too. I'm closing in on 200K miles so my engine certainly isn't a good candidate... I've heard rumors, too, that the bottom end on the B6304 can't be rebuilt (i.e. can't re-ring them) so that's why I thought about just getting an engine out of a wrecked T6. The other thing is the N/A version has some serious compression (11:1) so just adding turbos without doing some motor mods. may not work (read...incessant pinging). Or...for the same cost as doing all the mods to the Volvo, I could sell the 965 and get a 540Ti.
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Probably a four-cylinder turbo dropped into a 960 chassis after the six-cylinder inline failed. Look again at the engine.
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There is a 940 Turbo, or a 960, but no 960 Turbo model. People can sometimes get number confused, so you weren't necessarily intentionally misled.
If the shifter can move as you describe, I suspect the shift interlock switch broke, and someone removed the whole setup. I wouldn't think that it's hard to replace, but probably a PITA.
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Speed Racer, '83 240 R, '74 164 E, '93 940 OL1 (Manchester, CT)
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well there is a guy on mvp volvo web site that put a twin turbo motor in his 95 960 out of a 2000 model. It can be done just need a donar car.
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