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Alternator follies continue... 200 1982

Hello All,

The alternator on my GLT continues to be ornery as hell, I am two shakes from going up to the scrappers and picking up a decent used one.

A couple of weeks ago it wasn't charging. After cleaning it up and re-installing I found that it worked just fine as before. I haven't started the car in about a week. Last night I started it up and the alternator wasn't charging at idle, but revving the engine yeilded a small increase but far from what I would call healthy. I then stuck my hand down there in the dark to see if the wires were connected and proceeded to brand the tip of my middle finger with the B positive connection. I haven't touched anything that hot in a long time. Let me re-itterate that it was burning hot.

Any ideas fellow bricksters???

Happy Bricking to all...

Richard

87 245 DL 355,000 km
82 242 GLT 121,000 km

http://members.cardomain.com/richink








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    Alternator follies continue... 200 1982

    Hang on a minute,
    Before we get into overly technical solutions and talk of diode packs and such, lets look at the

    problem as stated

    the B+ terminal (which should have the heavy gauge cable on it to the battery) is getting hot,there are two possible causes, either the entire alternator is producing or receiving a massive current due to a fault which is exeeding the terminal`s capacity, or, (much more likely), the connection itself has a bad ( ie high resistance) connection though which the charging current is passing and producing a voltage drop.

    To put it in simple terms if a terminal gets locally hot there a poor connection

    at that point 99 times out of 100.

    Clean the mating surfaces of the connection and replace the ring terminal (the problem may be in the crimped joint) on the end of the of the wire and it will, in all probability, cure the problem.
    If not, and the wire itself is cooler the further away from the from the connection you get, the problem is probably a bad connection at the other end of the mounting stud, ie. inside the alternator. Always try the simple solutions first, they are nearly always the cheapest and very often the cause of the problem.
    Good luck,
    Colin.








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    Alternator follies continue... 200 1982

    I would first check to see if the alternator is actually grounded. Mine was not and the voltage fluctuated due to a floating ground. I physically checked via a Voltmeter (under the car) the voltage from the alternator output to chassis ground and then ran a 10 gauge wire from the alternator body to chassis ground and again checked the voltage. Lo and behold, the voltage went up to 14 VDC and has been rock solid ever since.

    Some alternators (Pep Boys) do not have a ground point to connect to. I assumed that the alternator would be grounded through the nut/bolt setup. But this time it was not. So, I ran a wire from a point on the alternator body to chassis ground.

    Lawren








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      Alternator follies continue... 200 1982

      Lawren,
      Will you please explain to a poor, confused old electrician how a poor ground can cause over heating of the B+ terminal ?
      Unless Mr Ohm has revised his famous Law when I wasn`t watching.

      There seems to be an urban myth developing that all eletrical faults (especially on Volvos) are due to "bad grounds"
      These can, and do, cause all sorts of puzzling faults but they can not, by definition, be the cause of excess current problems, ie blown fuses etc.
      In fact a high resistance anywhere in a cicuit will produce local heating
      at that point but must, according to the erstwhle Mr Ohm, reduce the overall current flow.
      Colin.








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    Alternator follies continue... 200 1982

    Just curious, what is the relationship of the Volts to Amps?

    If your volts are high (like 15 to 17) but the amps are low (like zero to 1), then your regulator is toast.

    If the Volts are low, you may have blown a diode. (there are 4 set in an AC-to-DC-array, a loss of one will drop 25 percent of the power)

    If your alternator is Hot, check for a wiring short (possibly internal or external in the car's wiring harness), or bearings that are dying (which is usually accompanied by a loud noise). I'd trace the wiring harness from the alternator to make sure that none of the lines are shorting to ground.

    Also, is your 'battery' idiot light coming on with the other idiot lights before you start your car? This is needed to pre-charge an induction field in the alternator for proper operation.

    For further diagnosis, check out the local auto-parts stores for a alternator test station. One of the local parts stores has a bench where you bolt down your alternator and they hook a motor and belt up to it. They run it through a series of load tests and the attached computer gives you a printout of the performance.

    Good luck and God bless,
    Fitz Fitzgerald.
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    '87 Blue 245, NA 214K







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