I was following the directions and advice from my Haynes manual and input from this board on removing the Pre-pump from my trunk. I was told by all to remove the elctrical socket on top of the pump. So, I pulled it up and it is NOT a snap on and it broke my wires off of the pump!!! NOW WHAT? Am I going to have to buy an entire new pre-pump? Or, can it be repaired once I have it removed?

Also, I am having problems getting the pump to turn to get it out.

As always, any help will be appreciated.

Thanks,
don

Trying to pour oil on the water here.

There was a note in the forward to John Muir's 'guide to the Volkswagen for the complete idiot' (which was my bible for a decade).

It was about thought and cessation of thought. It went something like.

I apreciate that I did not specifically state to remove the staples that hold the clutchplate to the shipping cardboard, but.........

I love it... Reminds me of the first technical bulletin I got kicked back. I had a step, "Remove case cover..." It got kicked back and a dialog then proceeded:

Editor: "How do you remove cover?"
Me: "It's obvious, you remove the four screws on the back and slide it off."
Editor: "Do you expect a user to know that?"
Me: "Yes, it's in their manual how to take the cover off."
Editor: Do you think they have read the manual or know the manual explains how to remove the cover?"
Me: "Uh, I don't know... they should read it..."
Editor: Either tell them how to take the cover off or cite the page number in their user's guide where it tells them to take out the screws!"
Me: Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...

I knew right there that it was going to be a long day...

Have fun...

Justin

Don,

I replied to your e-mail that you sent before I checked brickboard. I see your dilemma. I assumed that you were speaking of the connection that comes out of the top of the sending unit. With all the wire gremlins that Volvos are prone to, I assumed someone had problems with the harness and had performed trickery. The connection you speak of is at the actual pre-pump. Not to despair, I bought a pre-pump at AutoZone this weekend because that was my only option if I wanted to drive my car on Monday. It was either do that or remove a 1/2 ton long wheel base truck load of mulch from my pick-up (which would have committed me to my wife's landscaping project). So I opted to work on the car instead. The pump that I bought came with two crimp-on ring connectors. You should be able to get a couple of these same terminals if you aren't replacing the pump, or if you replace the pump it will come with new ones ($34.99 at AutoZone). Because it is such a pain to pull the pump and fool with the hoses, I would replace the pump as insurance against having to pull the unit again in a couple of months of your pump goes "belly up"

Thanks,
Lance "A Few BRICKS short of a full load"

Aw now you have me nervous, i put a autozone pump in my car. Have you ever had a, autozone pump fail, pre-maturly? If so how long did it last?
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!

i had a autozone fuel pump fail on me in less then 100 miles.
Auto zone is good for oil and and those blue paper towels that kick butt

Thanks, i will watch those miles (LOL) and thanks for not takeing my mis understood post to hart THANKS!! As i did not mean to hurt anyone
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!

Both my Pre and main pumpo are from auto zone and they run fine, going on 6 months no trouble(with the pumps). as for the other problems...... well i won't go there....
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Dan D. '85 245 DL , '93 945 .Delanisdjd@aol.com

Well im tore up between 100miles and 6mts (lol) thanks for not, takeing my miss worded post and miss understood post to heart, as i did not mean to hurt any one THANKS!!
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!

The AutoZone pump was not an original AC pump, so I would probably not buy the pump from AutoZone if I had other options. I did not have any other option but the AutoZone pump late Saturday afternoon. That being said, the pump comes with a lifetime warranty. Would I be upset it it goes out tommorow? Yes - definitely because I would have to do my work all over again. If it lasts a year - I will be satisfied.

Thanks for your post, so far i have 100mi / 6mts / hoping for a year. (LOL) well i have used them (autozone) pumps in many other autos and they held up great. Mine has a lifetime waranty ,wich meens S.O.L, thanks for not being bias to my lousy way of wording in former post as i did not intend to bad mouth any one. THANKS
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!

Yes, there is a lot of people in here that will give dis-info on a lot of stuff. They do this just to trip a person up,that is sad. I changed my pump, the conection that haynes is refering to, is actualy in the trunk,not in the tank. This had me confused as well. All is not lost, simply get rid of copper (spiral hard wires)that whole plastic case that the spiral wires are in, make sure to remember what wire goes to each copper spiral hard wire, and where the copper wire goes on the pump. Strip the wire and rap it around the threded post on pump,tighten the screws on the pump. A peice of shrink tubbing would be nice on each of the wires. Wala your done. This is what i would do. Good luck
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!

Detailer:

You made a big stink about leaving, and you have not left. I suppose, in theory, I don't care if you're going to stay. However, should you decide to linger, you should at least apologize for your rude behavior. Let me also add that you are not under any obligation to stay, or to read every post. If you have a problem with some number of contributors to the brickboard, don't read or respond to their posts. If you don't like the brickboard, don't use or own up to using it. My suggestion falls along the lines of that old phrase: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." You are not going to improve anything by baiting people, nor will you improve the brickboard by bemoaning how awful the brickboard is. If you need further guidance, the IETF has an RFC on netiquette that is worthwhile reading (for you and everyone else).

P.S. If it will help you become a better brickboard member, I can send you a keyboard with functioning shift, apostrophe, space and period keys.

- alex

'85 244 Turbo
'84 245 Turbo

I did apoligise in a post, for the wrong words ,i also did not say i was leaving , would you like to meet me in person and discuss my key board or does the words you say, make you feel good. Since i did not cut on any one yet but you are. Thats the class you got. Do you want to meet me in person. PSS your post is cramed just like mine so dont start.
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!

I'll have to say that I've asked many questions on this Board and have always received what I consider to be sincere helpful replies. I've always considered it to be an example of the good side of people. The only reason people seem to participate is either to teach or to learn. Both are good things. People seem to enjoy the teaching and helping part as much as getting their own questions answered. Some notable Boarders are always helping someone else and never asking for help. This is top caliber. I think it's a great place!
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Thanks to everyone for the help, Doug C. 81 242 Brick Off Blocks, stock, M46; 86 240, 131k

What is the problem, I made a statment and it was worded wrong. Meaning that one cant rely on what is said in a forum, people do leave the obvious out, wich is sad. Wether the intent was to help or harm. The end resault is sad when some one trys to do some thing and is miss informed, and has to pay more time and money to resolve it. And i will tell you most info in here is wrong. What set it off for me, was when someone told someone that a turbo engines piston slap was a resault of a low compression engine and not the fact that it is the turbo that makes those engines slap more than others, thats one example. Here is another. Change the amm or computer or what ever. OK what about, fault finding and why the amm faild in the first place. That was never mentioned, and i see it, over and over that after people say, (WHOO HOO its fixed!) They are usualy back in a few months asking why the part fails repeditly, could it be from miss info. Now i like the info one gets in here and it is good. It's not all there, but it is good and like i said. Some people play games with people, and you cant say they dont, at least i keep it real. i also did not point my finger at anyone so i realy dont see why people must put there 2cents in, since i did not single anyone out. And no one will set standards as to my opinion. If you would of read my last post you would of seen my feelings on the sad way i worded that post. In my way that was an apoligy and that was not good enuff for you too bad
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!

Detailer,
I must call you to pony up on your claims of evil intent by brickboard members. I don't think it happens.

I have yet to find any obviously evil advice on this board. Sure, some people may get somethings wrong, but I don't think anyone has bad intentions. Some people may misinterpret advice. Some may post without thinking it through, but I don't recall any post with sabotage as a goal.

Can anyone else recall a significant number of "dis-information" posts?


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1895 244GL - St. Joseph, Missouri

Any one who tells some one to pull the conector apart, has never removed a pump. So if they did pull a pump,than that would of been noted in all and any advise given, it was not. You know im not new to brick board i have been around for a couple years. My father is also a member,he has been around longer than i. Regardless of what you say it happens. And im not pointing fingers at any one,did i, it is human nature and people will do it just like people make fun of me. Next you will say people did not make fun of me. So my post stands. I also did not mean to afend any one,but it is a fact --
Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!

I kinda have to side with Joe on this, sorry. Although it's obvious that, on occasion, some might just regurgitate what they have read as practical experience and leave out an important point, I think most of the time it's that nasty word "assume". You know the old saying, "Don't assume because all it will do is make an ASS out of U and ME." ;-)

I think that often people assume that a step will be obvious, or makes so much common sense that a specific instruction won't be needed. That is probably true in 90% of the cases, and I'm most likely guilty of this as well.

At a previous job I (along with others) often had to write computer technical bulletins. At our weekly meeting we would go over these bulletins and proof, revise, and generally tear them apart. It all boiled down to "writing to your intended audience". A bulletin would be written in a totally different fashion (and level of detail) when meant for an end-user as opposed to a technical person. I think that is probably what happens here as well except each post is not proofed and approved by a review panel.

To get around this I finally got to the point where I would compose a bulletin, go grab a secretary (not talking down about secretaries but we had one that didn't have a mechanical bone in her body!), give her the draft bulletin, put her in front of the piece of equipment, and ask her to perform whatever procedure I had written. If she understood it that was my assurance it was ready for prime time!

Unfortunately, I do not see a solution to that in a forum of this type...

Justin B.
83 244 Turbo

Good point. as i miss stuff as well. But people are mean and since they dont know you they dont care about you (not you,you know what im saying)and like i said im not refering to any one ingeneral. Wich is making me wonder what your defendig or fighting? May be the words did not flow properly, maybe i could of worded it a little diff.now that i read it over it does sound bad,well the words (a lot of people)is kind of bias on my part,but people do that sort of thing, and you cant say they dont. Wether it is 1 out of 3000 or 100 out of 3000 it happends. If some one dont like ya than they will f*** with ya its human nature.
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Kevin * HONDA spanking,1985 240DL * VOLVO ON!!!!

detailer may be less than diplomatic , but at least he is amusing. And a good conversation starter.
I take every bit of advice i get on this site for what it is... adivce.
Every repair situation has its variables.
No two bolts are really ever the same.

At some point i guess detailer will move on to other challenges beyond the brickboard.

till then let the discussions continue

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