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Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200

Hello,

I am currently looking into buying a 1988 240 DL 4-door sedan. The car has 143k on it, the body is immaculate for its age, and the motor starts quick and runs perfect. There is no to very little rust on the car. I am a little nervous about buying this due to the amount of miles. The car seems to be well maintained, with oil changes every 4000 miles. The owner claims that it has never used a drop of oil, and from my inspection does not smoke, and the motor is free of leaks. He has owned it since 1990. The oil was clean, and he claims it is around the 4000 mile mark due for a change. The car seems to drive well, lacking in power, but I am used to v8s. I am interested in the automaitc transmission. The shifter had a button that actuated a relay that I heard under the dash. I have been reading posts on here about lots of tranny problems and it has me nervous. The tranny does leak some ATF, he says he needed to add a pint every 6 months. The fluid was clean, and did not smell burnt. It felt like it shifted fine with a firm 1-2 shift and smooth through the rest of the gears. I did notice a vibration at about 45-50 mph that did not feel like a wheel out of balance, the steering wheel was not vibrating at all. Felt like driveshaft or tranny. The car has a good firm ride, but felt to me like it had some body roll. The motor sounded really good, with some minor valvetrain noise. Removing the oil fill cap there was a little sludge on the rocker arm, but the cam lobe looked brand new, with no noticable wear or heat damage. There are a few minor things like the radio needs replaced, but nothing major that I could find. The interior was very nice and well maintained. There seems to be an issue with the coolant gauge as it reads high and if you tap on the gauge cluster it drops and rises. Seems like a bad connection. Also, when the headlights are turned on an orange indicator light comes on in the dash, he says it indicates a bulb is burnt out in the system. Also and info on the electrical system this year would be great. Are these interference motors? i.e. if I lose the cam belt, do I smash valves? :-)

If you could please give me general info on this year and its problems I would really appreciate it. I got him down to 950.00 on the price, which seems to be a steal. The car is very nice.








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    Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200

    Goddamn... that's quite a steal at $950.

    If you don't like the way it handles, sink some money into upgraded shocks, springs, and beefier anti-sway bars... maybe a smattering of polyurethane bushings. IMO, the stock turbo setup is pretty nice for the not so perfect roads around here (much less roll than the non-turbo setup).

    The automatic transmission will sap lots of power, and some gas mileage. Oh well. The clicking can be one of two things (hopefully): the relay behind the glove box, the solenoid on the transmission. Ideally with the key in position 2, you'd see the od off light (I believe it's a big orange light on the autos) turn on when you press the switch on the shifter. The firm 1-2 shift is an indication of some wear, and to be expected. There's a rubber ball in the valve body that controls the 1-2 shift, if you feel comfortable digging a little into the transmission you can replace it fairly cheap (check out the Brickboard's 700/900 FAQ for more info). The transmission leak probably isn't serious, but how involved it is to fix depends on where the transmission is leaking from.

    The vibration could be lots of things. I'd suspect the transmission mount first, especially given how cheap and easy it is to replace (jack up the car, support the transmission, three or so bolts and you're out). Like any other car with a two piece driveshaft you could have worn the center carrier bearing (or its support), you could have a frozen u-joint somewhere (there are three of them on the driveshaft for your car).

    The erratic temperature gauge is probably a failed temperature compenstaing circuit. Just pull the cluster and remove the thing. I've probably got a link to some pictures that Art Benstein has taken of the repair somewhere on my little FAQ.

    The bulb out light is probably due to mismatched headlights or parking lights (is the bulb failure circuit hooked up to the parking lights? hmm.). It reacts to small difference in voltage draw between the left and right sides. Two bulbs from different lots even may trigger the light. If it bothers you (and you don't have any lights out), you'll probably want to buy new bulbs (replace them in pairs).

    If you're feeling nice and crazy, why not do a timing belt and adjust the valves after you buy the car. To adjust the valves you'll need some shims and a feeler gauge (I don't think it's real economical to rent the tools for just one or two cars so I haven't done mine yet... but it's nowehere near as involved s adjusting the valves on a Ford Focus), I believe most of it can be rented from IPD. The timing belt (engine is non-interference) is real simple, the worst thing I've run into consistantly (okay my bricks are a bit older) was the fan pulley being stuck on (well the nuts that hold it together rather). Since you've got an automatic you'll want a $40 tool to do the t-belt (or you can come up with some other creative way to lock the crankshaft). Grab the Bentley manual. It's not as in depth as the Volvo ones, but for the money you get more useable information. If you start digging into something that needs more detail (like the transmission), spend the money on the Volvo ones (but watch out for their super lame web site if you buy them new).

    - alex

    '85 244 Turbo
    '84 245 Turbo








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    Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200

    Hi -

    Just saw your post. Transmission in your car is the AW70, same as in my 1988 244GL. (244 is old volvo jargon for series 200, 4 cylinders, 4 doors)

    It's a three speed with electric overdrive. The button on the side of the shifter is the overdrive inhibitor. Start-up position is overdrive NOT inhibited. In that situation, the shift into o/d will happen automatically, depending on road speed, throttle position and kickdown cable adjustment.

    The shift is easy to see if you have a tach. The DL models did not have a tach stock, maybe on special order. However, the tach is pre-wired, and it is possible to get a kit (eBay) which should include the tach (which replaces the large clock) a plug for the clock-setter hole, a small clock, and the wiring harness to tie in the clock. It is a half-day job, or less.

    If you push the shifter button, you should see an amber up arrow on the warning light row, right end. Then the o/d will not engage, period.

    The relays clicking are the ones mounted on a rail just below the dash center air vents, (the o/d relay is there) and the fuel system relay that is above the passenger's right toe.

    You will want some literature. Volvo publications, including Owner's Manual and Volvo Service Manuals, are available at http://www.volvocars.com/lit or call 1-800-25-VOLVO. There is also a shop manual by Robert Bentley, $40 to $50, look on eBay.

    Good Luck with your new ride. You will enjoy it.

    Bob

    :>)








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    Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200

    This sounds like a good deal. The mileage is very reasonable and low for the year. Figure an average of 15K per year for most cars: this car's seen less than 10K. That's easy use. Certainly it'll need some things addressed, probably some front-end work, but nothing difficult.
    The 88 is the last year for the "old" fuel injection, LH 2.2, and it's a strong, reliable system. It's the last year that the timing is adjustable. Unfortunately it's also the last year that is subject to wiring harness problems. I wouldn't kill the deal because of it, but it's just something to keep in mind. Degradation appears behind the alternator, under the intake manifold, and at the grey plug on the firewall. If those areas look ok, i.e. no exposed copper, then it's fine. For now.
    The engine and trans should be fine for twice this mileage, or more. Parts are readily available and as cheap as any car could reasonably be these days. For instance, the dist cap is the same part # as for old VW beetles. Proven parts that work. None of the things you mention are red flags to me. The car looks good, the maintenance history sounds excellent, and if it's clean underneath, it's a great deal. Buy it.
    As for the fluid leak, that's probably the only area of concern. These transmissions are tough, but one weak spot is that they wear out the tailshaft bushing, wiping out the seal at the driveshaft yoke. A shop equipped with a bushing puller can finish this job in less than 1 hour. Make some phone calls- or call up IPD to see about buying/renting the puller. (www.ipdusa.com) Nice ingenious tool that solves one big headache with this car.
    If the leak is NOT coming from the tailshaft, then the trans has to come out, as it's probably lost the front housing o-ring. Also look closely at the trans cooler lines up to the radiator. They wear through at the clamp at the bellhousing and replacement is the only way to go (about $40 each from Volvo).
    The other items, including the timing belt, when it's due, are all things you can do at home with normal tools. You'll find the car easy to work on and very straightforward.
    Let us know and post more pics when you get it.
    --
    Rob Bareiss, New London CT ::: 'Roterande Fläkt Och Drivremmar!'








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      Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200

      Ok, thanks for the info. I will look over the wiring harness better, and try to pinpoint where the leak was coming from. The harness seemed decent, I didn't notice anything that stood out. The car was garaged its whole life, so that should help in the corrosion area. It seemed like it was from the rear the way the driveshaft looked. I currently own a 89' VW jetta GLI that is on its last legs, it has had a hard life. I bought it with 167k and now has 205k on it, been a reliable car, but I have had to dump some money into it also. I understand the basics behind troubleshooting the bosch systems, so that should help. Plus the engine compartment is large, and everything is very acessible. Do any of you have an opinion on the vibration I am feeling?

      Please, I would like to see some more opinions on this year and its quality. Thanks again for the help! :-)








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        Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200


        1988 is a very good year!

        The consensus seems to be that the 1988's were the best pre-air bag, ABS and upgraded A/C cars. Air bag started in 90, ABS and upgraded A/C in 1991. The 1990-93 are generally regarded as the best overall according to may on this board. This is mainly because they are the newest and many problems were fixed by Volvo over the years.

        I have a 90 244DL that runs great with 216K. Feels like it'll go 300 or 400K. Doesn't burn any oil. Leaks a little, but I am working on fixing that. I also had a 1988 Jetta GLI 16 Valve which was totaled at 280K. The Volvo is nowhere near as fun. It's slow and doesn't handle great, but it is better built, cheaper and easier to work on. It is also solid and very safe.

        That's a great price. IMO - go buy the car if it checks out. Chances are you'll learn to love your "Swedish tank" like the rest of us old car nuts!!!








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    Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200

    Never been a 240 owner but from what I have read on this board about them all the problems you have mentioned seem very minor. Car sounds like it has been taken care of very well. The temp gauge reading high is probably a faulty TPC board which can be replaced or bypassed. I think the OD relay thingy is a problem on a lot of Volvo models. You can either resolder the relay or get a new/used one. With the warning light either there actually is a light bulb burnt out somewhere or there is a bad connection somewhere. Might just be a dirty contact? The 240 does have a rubber timing belt but it is not an interference motor. If the belt snaps your just stranded till you can get a new one on. 240's seem to be easily capable of reaching 300k miles if properly maintained.
    --
    1988 760Tic - 155,550 1966 M-B 230 sedan - 98,000 - Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Bill Watterson








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      Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200

      The relay was replaced by the owner, and it was clicking, so I assume it was working. I just had no clue what it was for. Is there not a relationship between that O/D button and the type of tranny in the car? Is it the "better" tranny? Thanks again all!








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    Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200

    I would like to just get some general info if I could. I have been reading through the archives. Thanks everyone, I will post some pics in a few minutes.








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      Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200

      Here are some pics.









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    Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200

    Crazy,
    This deal sounds too sweet. A Volvo can handle, with regular maintainence, well over 250k without anything major going wrong... others may say even more miles are possible with religious care. The questions about the tranny, lights, & temp. guage are all super easy to repair (and for relatively little $). Rather than explain everything here, you should search through the archives in order to get better informed as to what you may need to do to make this ride cherry. If it is truely a one owner deal then I say go for it.








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      Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200

      For $950. I would buy this car today in a NYC minute! All the problems you described are easy fixes - if you are willing to get your hands dirty. Essentially you are getting a car for the price of two or three repair bills at most garages.

      I just bought a non-running 89 240 that's not as clean as this one - for $1000 and I am putting $1000 in parts to make it extremely roadworthy. This 240 looks like a deal to me too!

      IS the car in Ohio? - LOL

      Bob Weber
      49 Volvos since 1979 (looking for number 50)
      Hamilton, Ohio








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        Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200

        Bob,

        I cannot tell you the exact location of the car... lol. I am picking it up tomorrow morning anyways. I am a complete gear head, love to work on cars. I am currently in the middle of restoring a 68 Dart, with a blown 700+ hp big block. I need the Volvo for a good daily driver and winter car. I also have 5 other cars, you could say I am somewhat of a nut about cars. The others are a 98 Pontiac GTP, 80' Malibu Classic w/ 40k original miles, 89 chevy truck, and a 69' mercury monterey. Also, the 89' Jetta GLI that I will be getting rid of. I just want to make sure I cover all the basics, and understand what I am getting into buying a Volvo. Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.

        Regards,

        Andy








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          Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200

          Hi there,

          that car looks great, which counts for something. for the headlights, try changing both headlights - if you don't change both headlights at the same time the system picks up on the differing voltage and triggers the warning light. having 2 brand-new headlights should fix that.

          it really looks beautiful, and IS low-mileage for a volvo. I have an 83 with 209,000 on it and it's gonna run forever. i'm jealous - that's a great price for it. i paid $975 for mine, and it has higher mileage and isn't as pretty as that one.

          good job and enjoy!

          susan.
          --
          Emperor for Life - Leaky Volvo Club of America (LVCOA)








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            Need help, Volvo newbie looking to buy 88' 240 DL 200

            Thanks Susan! I will let you all know when I get it home tomorrow. Going to get up early and head to the title office in the morning. Thanks for all your help. I will take some more pics too, when I get it home.







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