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Well, almost. They are in the final stages of completion then I get mine!
Ok, first things first I have to thank John Parker (obviously), Jordan G and Dave Lot for sending a clutchfork and throw out bearing with out whom part of this project would never have gotten off the ground. I only had the bellhousing, the clutch fork was still in use on my 242
Ok, so it's finally been done, we have T5 adapters for sale. The running price at the moment is 250 an adapter, which includes the machine work on the bellhousing.
The bellhousing has a shaft that goes around the input shaft that (if I remeber correctly) is for the throw out bearing to slide on. Well, on the T5 the input shaft is larger (obviously) so this has to go. Now, John P is trying to have them on an exchange basis, but he needs to aquire a few m46 bell housings to machine them all at once, vs a piece by piece basis. This will help keep costs down (to the 250ish).
So if you want one, a bunch of you guys should start sending bellhousings now. Also, he'll probably or give you credit towards any extras you can give him.
Ok, so now I bet everyone is wondering about the swap. Now, I know that certian people (whose intials are PB) don't like to see people posting things before they have done them, but because of kenny's broken m46 I am being extra nice right now. So I can only go on what I think will be required.
It looks like you can use a ford mustang 4 cylinder clutch disc under the OE volvo pressure plate. The clutch fork and throw out bearing can be reused (clutch fork for sure, TO I'm not 100 percent sure of) and the T5's input shaft's tip is the same as the m46. Now, if Im wrong please correct me, its been atleast 2 weeks since I've gone over the swap with JP. Obviously the Driveshafts are different, but theres 2 ways to go. You can either convert to a 1pc (my plan) or use the 2pc with the ford yoke welded on. Also, I've heard that the Tbrids use a similar yoke as stock and that it helps it be a bolt up.
The guys who would know more than I about the driveshaft and Xmember is the V8 guys. I think Greg Wong (iirc) has a t5/t56 in his v8 wagon. Someone does atleast. Anyways, once again, iirc they use the stock xmember, it just requires some grinding.
The other reason I am posting a little early is I was planning on doing this swap durning this month, but getting my engine dialed in will be taking all my time.
Now heres the bad news. As of this moment, it won't fit the 740's because of shifter position. That doesn't mean it won't, rather JP thinks that the camaro output shaft and rear housing is longer than the fords and should line up for the 2 series. But, right now all the focus has been on just getting the adapters done.
Alright guys, heres what YOU need to do. If your intrested or can send extra bellhousings, get in touch with John via www.v-performance.com and get in line. Keep in mind, he's taken a leap here making T5 adapters for me, lets make it profitable for him. I've assured him there is plenty of us intrested.
Oh ya, and those of us with mechanical speedo's... not sure if you can make it work or not. Probably not. But, it would be easy to adapt an Autometer speedo, or use a later rear end with the electronic sender and an aftermarket speedo (like a digital one).
Now that we have transmissions, NO EXCUSES!
Thats my bellhousing on that T5
[img]http://www.pbase.com/image/14956613.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.pbase.com/image/14956619.jpg[/img]
Oh, now I know I've got flammed for this before, but this is the hurdle on the swap. From here its not [i]too[/i] difficult [i]looking[/i]. I will know better (and document) when I do it, but right now it looks like its going to be one sweet swap.
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Sacramento VCOA President, (sacvolvo@hotmail.com) Admin @ clubvolvo.com 2001 S60 2.4t w/17' Amalthea & Premium package 82 242t 5spd (Offical Project Car!) w/ With more parts than I can list, 85 244ti~ Parts car
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JTR (Jags that run) sells a speedometer driver that will run a mechanical speedo off the electrical output. Check with the V8 guys but, I think you can also modify the output shaft for a gear instead of the reluctor ring.
This should work great for the older cars too shouldn't it?
Like dropping a Turbo engine in my 122?
These boards are Awesome!!
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Steve,
I was just turned on to those, this is really becoming a killer swap!!
122ti t5 eh? I'm game!
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Sacramento VCOA President, (sacvolvo@hotmail.com) Admin @ clubvolvo.com 2001 S60 2.4t w/17' Amalthea & Premium package 82 242t 5spd (Offical Project Car!) w/ With more parts than I can list, 85 244ti~ Parts car
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Damn!
There goes my weekend. Here I am thinking how sweet it would be to buy this $100 project car, replace the head gasket and re-sell it. Looks like I'm going to get some practice at pulling an M46 :-)
Do you know of anyone attempting the two piece driveshaft?
Would the V8 clutch disc work?
P.S. If you use <img src="url"> you can embed images, and of course either <span style="text-style: italic"> or <i> for italic text.
- alex
'85 244 Turbo
'84 245 Turbo
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oh thats how you do it! Oh well! I just copy/pasted from another msg board.
Well, the v8 discs are quite a bit bigger and won't fit under the volvo pressure plate. Im working with a couple places on sourcing Centerforce STG2 or Dual Friction clutches with volvo pressure plates and ford disc's.
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Sacramento VCOA President, (sacvolvo@hotmail.com) Admin @ clubvolvo.com 2001 S60 2.4t w/17' Amalthea & Premium package 82 242t 5spd (Offical Project Car!) w/ With more parts than I can list, 85 244ti~ Parts car
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But what exactly is the advantage of a T5 over a M46? Is it weight? power handling? availablity? Seems to me there must be some huge advantage for someone to go to this much trouble. My bet would be on power handling but I can't figure out why you'd still use the factory clutch, Aren't those only good to 225HP or so?
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'91 744T 173K
'82 245Ti 238K
'81 245 GLT, non-turbo 275K
'67 122 wagon
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Hi Bob,
The T5 is good for 300-350 hp in stock form and there is SO much aftermarket it could easily be the last transmission you'd ever need in a 240t. Now, its obvious, if your not building a high performance volvo, you probably don't need it.
You can use any factory pressure plate, be it a centerforce stg2 or Dual friction with the ford disc and have more than enough clamping force.
Also, you do get a taller first, and a true internal 5th gear (which the m47's do have, but the m46's are the "stronger" of the 2 anyways).
The T5's came in damn near everything from the 80's on. How ever, your looking for a 5.0 mustang one, its the strongest, best geared of the group.
Lots of good adavantages, if your on your 2nd m46 already. ;)
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Sacramento VCOA President, (sacvolvo@hotmail.com) Admin @ clubvolvo.com 2001 S60 2.4t w/17' Amalthea & Premium package 82 242t 5spd (Offical Project Car!) w/ With more parts than I can list, 85 244ti~ Parts car
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BTW Bob, I really need it on my car due to the fact Im runnign a WH1C holset turbo, EMS (in the next week), K15 cam from enem, ect ect ect. My goal is 350-400 whp in the next year or so.
lol
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Sacramento VCOA President, (sacvolvo@hotmail.com) Admin @ clubvolvo.com 2001 S60 2.4t w/17' Amalthea & Premium package 82 242t 5spd (Offical Project Car!) w/ With more parts than I can list, 85 244ti~ Parts car
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Don't forget those of us that are just sick of dealing with the OD (stuck solenoid?), the wiring's been ripped out of the shifter, have lots of bearing noise, and the clutch feels like it's due for a replacement anyhow.
- alex
'85 244 Turbo
'84 245 Turbo
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Exactly Alex, hell I don't even have a working OD lol
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Sacramento VCOA President, (sacvolvo@hotmail.com) Admin @ clubvolvo.com 2001 S60 2.4t w/17' Amalthea & Premium package 82 242t 5spd (Offical Project Car!) w/ With more parts than I can list, 85 244ti~ Parts car
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Great thanks! I was just pasting the same post on all the msg boards Im on.
Doug
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