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Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

Hello Don,
Your previous posts on the temperature compensating boards are very impressive. Is it possible to jump the compensating baord somehow to get a "true" temperature guage that would move with the temp of the engine? Thanks for your help!
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1990 240- 230K- VX cam, springs, bilstiens, spt exh, euro lamps-turbo whls








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    Temp-faker 200 1990

    Hey, I haven't seen what Randy has sent you, so I don't know whether you will derive any help from this post, but perhaps some others may.

    The reason I jumpered the temp comp board is I had the cluster out anyway to make a map of it for someone. Thought I'd really like to know what the temperature sender was sending, in the same manner on my wife's 89 as on my 84, and 79.

    Here's the temp comp board.



    Here's perhaps why someone might get rid of it.



    The location of the jumper.



    Closer view. I cheated with a wire wrap tool-- no soldering required.


    --
    Art Benstein near Baltimore








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      Temp-faker - ignoramous questions 200 1992

      Art et al,
      Sorry for lack of wire wrap knowledge - what is a wire wrap tool
      and the wire that it 'wraps'? Looks like solid core wire to me
      Markin Mass








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        Wire wrapping 200 1992



        Hi Mark,

        A wire wrap tool is certainly not something expected to be found in a modern car repair facility, but you just might find one at a radio shack-- maybe.

        You are right on about it being solid wire; I don't think the concept would apply to stranded, but I'm going to do some guessing here and say it was originally use by phone companies to eliminate soldering and unsoldering millions of wires in their wire centers. It later became the standard way to produce computer backplanes - both because it was so quick to make and remove for modifications.

        A wire wrap advocate told me it is far better than printed circuit through-hole connections as each connection has "32 gas tight contacts" meaning that the solid wire is tightly wrapped around a square post 8 times. The wire is special to the task, in my example 30 gauge Kynar insulated. Just look at the pics of those failed fuel pump relays, etc. and you know exactly what he was talking about.

        Nowadays the technique is mostly used for electronics prototyping-- a quick way to build something without making a printed circuit-- the connection is way to big physically to fit in modern day electronics packaging. So that's why I'm thinking it is possible radio shack doesn't have it any longer.

        The tool is just a bit that fits over the square post, with a slot to accept the 30 gauge wire so you can tightly twist about an inch of it around the square post. Just a cheat to the soldering I'd have to do if I couldn't find the tool in my benchtop mess.

        I googled up "wire wrap" and, as usual, learned something entirely new when 39,000 pages were returned. It also refers to a artist's technique used in jewelry making. Here's a major supplier of electronic wire wrap tools: OK Industries

        Hope I haven't bored you to tears.

        --
        Art Benstein near Baltimore








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      Temp-faker 200 1990

      Considering that the temp comp board sometimes creates erroneous readings, perhaps "temp-fakar" isn't too far from the truth.
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      Don Foster (near Cape Cod, MA)








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    Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

    I don't normally answer Don's phone but...

    I have sent an email to you that contains images explaining the elimination of the compensation board. I have done it on five cars and it has worked each time without fail. Others have had the same experience. Good luck.

    Randy








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      Me too, Randy!!! 200 1990

      Can you email it to me too when you have time??? A million billion Thanks!!
      Reysolcruz@hotmail.com
      --
      ReySC.. '86 744 GLE (Daily Driver),94 944T 86 244 DL w/ Blown Head Gasket... http://groups.msn.com/Reysc/myvolvophotoalbum.msnw?Page=1








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      rstarkie, can you please email me the same pics of the bypass surgery? 200 1990








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        rstarkie, can you please email me the same pics of the bypass surgery? 200 1990

        Sure, glad to, need your address. Click on the envelope by my login name and send me an email and I will reply with the images attached.

        Randy








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    Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

    Bob --

    "Is it possible to jump the compensating baord somehow..."

    Yes, but I've never tried it so can't give you a firsthand description.

    I think Bob Haire, John Sargent, or Art Benstein has done this successfully.

    When I've repaired the temp comp boards, they've worked so I don't need to install the jumper. Sorry......
    --
    Don Foster (near Cape Cod, MA)








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      Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

      You must be clairvoyant (clear seeing?) because I did the very same thing for the first time a couple weeks ago, although haven't posted about it. Pics as usual, so I'll add to the original post by ricefive. It wasn't acting up, I just wanted to make sure it was telling me the truth; something I wouldn't expect of a "temp faker".
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      Art Benstein near Baltimore








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        Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

        Clairvoyant --- I think that means watching Clair through the bushes. 'Course, the only problem is that dear old Clair is 93 next month....

        She told me that if she ever caught me watching her, she run me over. In her wheel chair.

        Then she smacked me with her cain and her guide dog bit me.

        It was not a pretty sight.

        No, Your Honor, I'm not clairvoyant.
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        Don Foster (near Cape Cod, MA)








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          Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

          Ahhh.

          The name Claire brings to mind stories told by some former co-workers after attending a week long technical course instructed by a young woman of that name. They claimed she was well aware of any 'looking' and made for many opportunities. We couldn't use the simple word "clarify" any longer without smiles and tittering.
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          Art Benstein near Baltimore








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            Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

            So in this case, your clairvoyant friends were really clairvoyeur friends...

            "...and tittering..."

            Is that what your friends called looking at, well, you know....?
            --
            Don Foster (near Cape Cod, MA)








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              Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

              Clarification: That was my word.

              Knowing that bunch and not having been there, I suspect the classroom antics became magnified somewhat later in the hotel bar as the next mornings approached.
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              Art Benstein near Baltimore








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      2nd page Calling Don Foster! 200 1990

      Hey Don I was going to ask you a related question. Do you know what the part number (radio shack) is for the voltage regulator on the board or what specs it is?

      I was at a loss with the radio shack store. They could not help.








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        2nd page Calling Don Foster! 200 1990

        The temperature compensating board has only two solid state devices on it -- the PNP transistor and the quad op amp IC. It has no VR that I can see.

        The VR for the instrument cluster is (I'm guessing) probably an 8 or 9 or 10 volt regulator. For this part, I'd use original Volvo. I'm not even sure the pinout of the three-legged TO-220 device conforms to standard configuration...... even though they'd be nutz to use a non-standard configuration.

        A decent voltage regulator from a decent supplier should be about $2 or less.
        --
        Don Foster (near Cape Cod, MA)








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          2nd page Calling Don Foster! 200 1990

          Ah thanks, if its 2 bucks then I'll go with the OE one.
          thanks








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            2nd page Calling Don Foster! 200 1990

            Hi Haroon!

            I have a bunch of them; send me an email. By the way, the ground terminal on the "three-terminal-regulator" is not actually grounded, but off of ground by 10 ohms, something that is NOT shown in the wiring diagram. It might also be the source of any trouble with the gauge voltage.

            You can see the 10 ohm resistor in the lower right of this picture.


            --
            Art Benstein near Baltimore








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      Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

      To repair the board what is involved. Is it just replacing the transistor on the board? Thank you, Dave.








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        Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

        I've done three "levels" of repair to the board.

        First was simply respoldering the pcb, cleaning and tightening the four female connectors and cleaning the mating male pins (on the cluster pcb).

        Second, I've replaced the transistor.

        Finally, I've replaced the IC (got a bag of 'em cheap on eBay).

        Twice I found that simply resoldering didn't help -- that's when I escalated the repair to include parts. That did the trick.

        Frankly, I'd follow Randy's advice and try installing a jumper rather than screw around with the stupid compensation board. It's a PITA.
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        Don Foster (near Cape Cod, MA)








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          Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

          TCBs are only on 200s?
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          Kenric Tam
          1990 Volvo 740 base sedan (B230F)
          My Volvo 'Project'








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            Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

            Good question, don't know. I've never disected an 850, 700, or 900 cluster, and they weren't used on early 200s or before.

            However, I don't recall a single posting here about temp comp boards on anything but a 200.
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            Don Foster (near Cape Cod, MA)








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              Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

              yeah, that's why i ask again. last time i asked, someone said they didn't believe it had one, but i wanted to make sure, and didn't receive any confirmation from another poster.
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              Kenric Tam
              1990 Volvo 740 base sedan (B230F)
              My Volvo 'Project'








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                Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

                Kenric,

                We got my mother in law a 940 a few weeks ago. It has an intermittent temp gauge, so I should be in a position to find out some time in the near future.

                Probably someone in the know has his filter set to see only 700-900 posts and will not see this one.

                Art
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                Art Benstein near Baltimore








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                  Calling Don Foster! Jumping Temp Com Board to have a true gauge 200 1990

                  "It has an intermittent temp gauge..."

                  Loose nuts.

                  And I don't mean the miscreants on this board.
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                  Don Foster (near Cape Cod, MA)








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                    Loose nuts 200 1990

                    I hoped for that. Kinda figured it might be attached in the same manner as those in the 240s. She's 81 and didn't bat an eye when I suggested the nuts might be loose. State budget cuts did that years ago.
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                    Art Benstein near Baltimore








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                      Loose nuts 200 1990

                      "State budget cuts did that years ago."

                      Considering that "poli" is Latin for "many", and "tics" are "bloodsucking creatures", what did you expect??

                      Lots of good posts re. the TCB. Read and saved, thanks to all who contributed.

                      Erling.
                      --
                      1987 240 GL 82K miles








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                      Loose nuts 200 1990

                      "...the nuts might be loose. State budget cuts did that years ago..."

                      Gee, in Massachusetts, the cuts moved the nuts into public university administration.

                      A bit of humor, which is sadly truthful and only scrathes the surface, is here: Howir Carr article.
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                      Don Foster (near Cape Cod, MA)








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                        Loose nuts 200 1990

                        That was interesting, and a bit scary, too. I'd just heard about Bulger on one of the TV shows that run in the background while I play on the computer. Something about well known in London too.
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                        Art Benstein near Baltimore







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