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B23F power vs. b230f 200 85

Volvoworld sez that the b23f and b230f make about the same amount of power... 113 ponies and 136 lb.ft. torque for the '84 b23+m46 tranny, and 114 ponies and 136 lbs. for the '85- b230+m46. If this is so, why do my b23 cars seem so sluggish in comparison?? And why do my '85 and '86 get better mileage and run quieter than my '83 and '84?








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    Re: B23F power vs. b230f 200 85

    Rob,

    I remember reading a recent post of yours which sounded like a nightmare (for the cars and yourself). Something about running dino 50-weight in some of the cars, and 10-30 in others.

    Why not put the same thing in all of them, then compare again. Since you sounded like you're a dino-phile, the Delo 10w-30 sounded like the best of the bunch. If not, you can get 5-quart jugs of Valvoline or Mobil 1 synth for $12-15 at Wal-Mart and clean those long-suffering motors out.

    Also, what's in your diff and tranny can make a diff. After I changed them to synthetic, my car was just slightly snappier, and also slightly quieter. And--it still makes me grin--it shifts easily when cold. Only gained about 1 mpg, though.








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    Re: B23F power vs. b230f 200 85

    The others have hit on the main points - the B230F is low friction, designed for better mileage. Might lead to more quiet running, too (as long as you don't develop piston slap from the short piston skirts!) Computer controls also improved in that time (the B23 uses the earliest form of knock control, while the later models were a bit more sophisticated.)

    The rear end ratio has a lot to do with how a car's acceleration feels. My wife's old '83 B23F w/autobox and 3.73 rear-end felt like it could launch harder than my '83 B23F w/M46 and 3.31 rear.








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    Re: B23F power vs. b230f 200 85

    Computers. Think about the speed of change in the computer industry at that time.








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      Re: B23F power vs. b230f 200 85

      Yeah but, the '85 and '86 use the same Jetronic 2.2 computer as the 83 and 84.








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        Re: B23F power vs. b230f 200 85

        Uh, no. A B23F uses LH2.0 with either a 503 or a 510 computer. A B230F in a 1985 240 uses a 511 computer and, according to Abe Crombie, runs better than a 1986 B230F with a 544 computer. WRT gas mileage, our old '84 GL wagon got 27-29 mpg with the M46 and a 3.73 rear end (was automatic, until the conversion was done by me in '98), and the '85 usually gets the same amount as the '84 did. Never really noticed a performance increase, except that the '84 did accelerate a little quicker, due to the shorter rear end. So, my experience has been that the B23F is essentially the same engine, except that it is a little noisier under acceleration, and is a much stronger engine, so it lasts longer.

        -J








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        Re: B23F power vs. b230f 200 85

        '83-'84 used LH2.0, '85-'88 used LH2.2.








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    Re: B23F power vs. b230f 200 85

    How many miles on each car, and what are the rear end ratios for each of the cars? Both of those could have a lot to do with the gas mileage, performance, and sound that come from the engine. Also, I believe the b230f was a "low friction" design (I'm not sure what that means exactly) which may be why your later cars are quieter.








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      Re: B23F power vs. b230f 140-160 68

      The "low friction" design had smaller main and rod bearings, that also don't last as long as the older design.








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        Re: B23F power vs. b230f 200 82

        1/the 100530 cylinder head ports are superior to the 100398/100405.

        2/there's (yup) less friction

        3/there's dramatically lighter reciprocating weight

        4/different (better) camshaft, in view of how most people drive and also more sophisticated control of emmissions.

        5/volvo hp figures have been notoriously fictional since the 60's.

        6/If you were canadian you'd not be saying that- in 81-early 83 we got the euro 136hp b23e- peaky but fast









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          Re: B23F power vs. b230f 200 82

          "4/different (better) camshaft, in view of how most people drive and also more sophisticated control of emmissions."

          Doesn't the b230f and b23f have the same M grind cam?







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