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yikes! wheel bearing grease all over my brake rotors, but why? (a bit long) 200 86

Two days after doing new front wheel bearings, I found grease coating the insides of the rotor hats, and it migrated to the inner rotor surfaces and covered the inside pads. A nauseating sight, I tell you all. I have Ate atomic groove rotors, and the slots were totally filled with grease! I was lucky to catch all this, had the wheels off for other reasons...

I got me some Valvoline DuraBlend semi-synthetic grease, multi-purpose but the 1st thing on the label says Disc Brake Wheel Bearings, so why not? Well, this stuff started out with the consistency of Pillsbury cake icing (yum). Now, it seems to be significantly thinner, runnier. Globs of it had dripped off the hub and landed on the rotor shield. I know it gets thinner when it's hot, but now at room temp. it doesn't seem to return to original state. I guess it's 'broken in'.

I took the hubs off, cleaned things up, and I got my old rubber seals and cut the lip off of them. I put these half-seals behind the new ones to put xtra pressure back there, doubled 'em up sort of. I was afraid to add much more grease. I did add a bit.

The 1st time around I packed the grease by hand, and if anything I was afraid of not adding enuff. So I don't think I over-packed them, but this was my 1st time with this job. On the back of the hub, there was evidence of the rubber seal contacting the metal seal ring, but grease got past there anyway, in large amounts. No leaks on the front, the metal caps.

Is this grease no good? Did I simply over-pack them? I don't get it. Strangely, I never really noticed a change in braking. Is this what a disc brake specification means, safe if it contacts braking surfaces? I put on some new brake pads anyway. Any ideas out there? Sorry if this was long!

Thanks,

vytas








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    Re: yikes! wheel bearing grease all over my brake rotors, but why? (a bit long) 200 86

    Synthetic grease can get liquidy from being used with dino sometimes. My experience is that the dino liquifies the synth wherever they come in contact. So it's important to thoroughly clean any trace of dino out of the bearings if you switch to synthetic. I use brake cleaner spray liberally on everything, until the surfaces and bearings are bone-dry, and I inspect the bearings very carefully for any hidden deposits of dino grease. The stuff is good at hiding on the ends of the rollers and inside the creases of the carriers.

    The runny grease you're desribing sure sounds like that's what happened. If you overpacked (sounds like you did), that would have forced the thin stuff right through your seals. Kind of like making a drink in the blender with a loose lid...&^)

    You shouldn't need a second seal back there if the spindle is good and the grease stays thick.








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      Re: yikes! wheel bearing grease all over my brake rotors, but why? (a bit long) 200 86

      An interesting point, this business about mixing synthetic and dino grease. But everything was meticulously cleaned with brake cleaner, bone dry. Xcept the new bearings themselves came with a light film of oil on them, and that was left on. Maybe that's what did it.

      But if it's a synthetic blend, isn't there already dino in there?









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        Re: yikes! wheel bearing grease all over my brake rotors, but why? (a bit long) 200 86

        Well, I never used a blend. When I put new front bearings on mine, I used a can of Amsoil grease I had sitting around. But if I had the same experience you did, I'd try another grease, and go light on the packing. Maybe try another brand of seal, and definitely follow the weird Volvo torqueing method, which I've resigned myself to never understanding.

        It could have been that:

        1) You overpacked them (this is very common practice; used to see it on many used cars that were RWD)

        2) It squished out

        3) The direct heat and mechanical force from the rotors reorganised the molecules, giving you a puree

        Or it could be that Valvoline grease is the the equivalent of a Fram filter, which is to say, the nadir.

        I remember being out in Grand Rapids for a project, and I took my Camry to a father/son alignment shop because it had a hop at about 80 mph. They fixed the hop by balancing the wheels on the car, then aligning it better than anyone ever has aligned a car for me. That car practically drove itself home.

        Anyway, while I'm waiting for the son to do the alignment, I get into a conversation with the dad about grease. He used some kind of stuff he got from his jobber, and had stocked up on it because he thought most of the major-label greases out there were pure junk; not "greasy" enough. I can't remember what the stuff was, he wouldn't part with some. But he did give me a dab to roll between my fingers, and it was very very greasy. It sounds strange, but it felt like grease is supposed to feel, like the grease I remember using in my grandfather's shop. And most modern greases feel slimy in comparison. And he used it on disc-equipped cars, so it must have been relatively modern stuff. The Amsoil is not as greasy as what he had, but it's pretty greasy, which means I get it all over everything when I'm using it.








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    Re: yikes! wheel bearing grease all over my brake rotors, but why? (a bit long) 200 86

    A couple things:

    1) Perhaps you overpacked them...I tend to think like you though "more grease can't hurt"....but you must allow for thermal expansion and mechanical displacement.

    2) I have seen some cheap, so called synthetic grease get very watery and separate...sometimes just sitting there.

    3) Most greases don't mix well with other types of greases....was there other grease remaining?








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    Re: yikes! wheel bearing grease all over my brake rotors, but why? (a bit long) 200 86

    Sounds to me like you over packed the hub. When filling the hub with grease you only pack the outer area between the bearings, leaving a hole through the middle. You don't pack the outer cap either. Just grease the bearings in the palm of your hand, nothing excessive.

    With a taper bearing it is also important to set the bearing correctly. The Volvo method is slightly odd in that you torque up the bearing and then back off the nut, can't remember the torue setting. Basically when you have set the bearing you should be able to twist the washer behind the spindle nut with your fingers, tighter than that and the bearing will run hot

    Regards







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