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Thermostat 1800

In November I did a total engine rebuild on my 1973 ES, it's now broken in with around 600 miles running. What temperature thermostat should I use, the manual says 180F but it seems to runs better with a 160F. Any ideas..any thoughts are greatly appreciated.








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    Thermostat 1800

    Thanks for the input, guess that I'll reinstall the 180 thermostat.








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      Thermostat 1800

      Hi,

      Good idea as I think it’s the minimum you should have.
      Heat in the right places is your friend.

      Check your plugs for tan to light gray deposits to show you some desired clean mixture burn.
      I can under stand why you think a richer running engine might feel better as it softens out thin spots in a power band but overall that comes with a price in fuel and engine maintenance.

      The coolant is very important for the plugs to get hot enough for the heat range that the engineering lab boys had the plugs specifically requested for the best combustions under all driving conditions that may be encountered.

      Remember the engine starts out colder and warms up from there.
      A range of different temperatures are encountered throughout a year.

      The heater core is a backup radiator for summer or being in traffic.
      It can get rid of extra heating but running it colder, especially for short runs, is never good.

      For short runs you want all the residual heat to stay up longer so everything is stressed less mechanically and chemically for optimum characteristics across the board.

      Thermostats absolutely have a great responsibility in many processes of manmade products.
      With your project it’s to keep the engine operating in its best “compromising zone” despite the variances.
      Even during the seventies a 210 degree operating zone was tried but that was also about the time fuel injection and oxygen sensors made for a necessary change.

      Carburetors, that were basically leaky float tanks with a tube (Venturi) drilled with holes, definitely had compromises everywhere. It took lots of R&D to make their somewhat “simplistic” nature do as well as they did.
      Between exploitation of heat and timing of the combustion cycle it’s what has kept the “ICE” game going but now is on same path as carburetors.

      I still haven’t figured out what you are using.
      Do you have fuel injection or not?
      Either way you need heat to make it better.

      Phil








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        Thermostat 1800

        Hi and thanks again for your insights. I'm using the stock Bosch F.I. as I stated in my original post everything has been rebuilt including the injectors and a new fuel pump. The fuel pressure regulator is set at 30 psi and it purrs like a kitten. I've reinstalled the 180 thermostat, looking forward to a summer full of cruising with the windows down. :)








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    Thermostat 1800

    Hi

    Since your car is a 1973 you are definitely past the first years of smog regulations of which started in 1965 with conversions being backdated or mandated . That was in California of course.

    The minimum then was 180 degrees Fahrenheit to raise combustion temperatures up and hold them up there in Big block engines. Really lots of pollution made for short term driving in the cities.
    The regulations covered the six hole engines as well. These were not fuel injection engines so there was a lot of emissions to clean up no doubt!

    By 1978 things got even more stringent nationwide and the imports saw this coming.
    My 1978 came with a 92 centigrade thermostat.
    That’s 197 degrees so our little red blocks needed to make a jump upwards to keep the imports doors open.

    You can see this with the revisions made by Bosch, who had bought the rights to the American Bendix fuel injection systems, that filled the back seat of a car with components.
    Bosch in essence, helped propel European cars to selling better against the new gas embargo prices that hit the world.
    Yes, smacking us Americans in our pocketbooks swooshed away the land yachts but very slowly as the big three dragged their behinds into the eighties.

    I doubt you will find newer imports running less than an 87 degree Centigrade thermostats.
    That’s 188.6 degrees Fahrenheit.

    You will be better off getting the temperature of you oil up higher too.
    Today’s oil additive packages are made to handle it.
    A better burn creates less byproducts to be left behind and work down past the piston rings.
    Technically oil doesn’t wear out but gets dirty. It’s the detergents in oil and gasoline . The gasoline exchanges quite often but oil keeps the byproducts suspended within.

    Before pressurized bearings in engines and detergents or ethyl gasoline the oils non detergent oils caused engines to have very short lives. Running a cold engine is the same step backwards.
    You would be doing yourself and anyone behind you a disservice by running @ One Hundred and Sixty degrees of coolant.
    Getting up to or even just over 200 degrees of coolant temperature is quite the normal thing with the newer antifreezes ans they are like the oils, built to last longer.

    You know my opinions, don’t do it!
    Phil








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    Thermostat 1800

    Hi

    Since your car is a 1973 you are definitely past the first years of smog regulations of which started in 1965 with conversions being backdated or mandated . That was in California of course.

    The minimum then was 180 degrees Fahrenheit to raise combustion temperatures up and hold them up there in Big block engines. Really lots of pollution made for short term driving in the cities.
    The regulations covered the six hole engines as well. These were not fuel injection engines so there was a lot of emissions to clean up no doubt!

    By 1978 things got even more stringent nationwide and the imports saw this coming.
    My 1978 came with a 92 centigrade thermostat.
    That’s 197 degrees so our little red blocks needed to make a jump upwards to keep the imports doors open.

    You can see this with the revisions made by Bosch, who had bought the rights to the American Bendix fuel injection systems, that filled the back seat of a car with components.
    Bosch in essence, helped propel European cars to selling better against the new gas embargo prices that hit the world.
    Yes, smacking us Americans in our pocketbooks swooshed away the land yachts but very slowly as the big three dragged their behinds into the eighties.

    I doubt you will find newer imports running less than an 87 degree Centigrade thermostats.
    That’s 188.6 degrees Fahrenheit.

    You will be better off getting the temperature of you oil up higher too.
    Today’s oil additive packages are made to handle it.
    A better burn creates less byproducts to be left behind and work down past the piston rings.
    Technically oil doesn’t wear out but gets dirty. It’s the detergents in oil and gasoline . The gasoline exchanges quite often but oil keeps the byproducts suspended within.

    Before pressurized bearings in engines and detergents or ethyl gasoline the oils non detergent oils caused engines to have very short lives. Running a cold engine is the same step backwards.
    You would be doing yourself and anyone behind you a disservice by running @ One Hundred and Sixty degrees of coolant.
    Getting up to or even just over 200 degrees of coolant temperature is quite the normal thing with the newer antifreezes ans they are like the oils, built to last longer.

    You know my opinions, don’t do it!
    Phil








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    Thermostat 1800

    If you're using the stock D-jet fuel injection, you should use a 180°F thermostat.

    The fuel mixture is adjusted by engine water temperature and a 160°F thermostat will cause the fuel mixture to be richer than required.

    Make sure you're using the correct style of thermostat and seal.

    I suggest you take a picture of what you've installed in case you need to show it to somebody.
    --
    Eric
    Hi Performance Automotive Service (formerly OVO or Old Volvos Only)
    Torrance, CA 90502
    hiperformanceautoservice.com or oldvolvosonly.com







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