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Coolant soaked padding - replace or clean? 200 1993

Over the weekend, I discovered that my driver's side carpet is sopping wet with coolant. I traced it to the heater valve next to the accelerator pedal. I have a path to resolving that.

But I've never dealt with a wet 240 foot/floor well. I expect I'll need to pull the carpet, padding below it, and clean it. Normally with just water soaked padding and carpet I've just dried it in the sun, but I don't think that will work here. The coolant needs to be extracted. Do I need to replace the rubber-backed padding, or can it be cleaned? The carpet I expect I'll clean by renting a hand-held carpet cleaner at the local Ace HW.

Any suggestions on cleaning up the carpet and padding are much appreciated.

Thanks!








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    Coolant soaked padding - replace or clean? 200 1993

    New valve installed and the system is leak free again.

    The carpet and padding dried out well, no oily residue. Surprisingly the padding has held up well so I reinstalled it, ready to soak up the next leak!

    I did a bit of searching on the padding and discovered there are many things to consider. Phil pointed them out in an earlier post on this thread.

    Thanks again for the help. And now on to the next issue...








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    Coolant soaked padding - replace or clean? 200 1993

    Based on all the great feedback, I decided to pull the carpet and padding and wash them (gently). It only took about 30 min to get things out. I found standing coolant in the driver well, and fortunately it was not up the tunnel foam.

    The rubber backing on the foam is brittle and no longer rubber, and some pieces fell off. The butyl stick'em stuff is used to secure the carpet in some places. It was also used for the foam.

    I'd like to replace the foam as it shows signs of previous leaks and is pretty ratty. Any suggestions are welcome.

    Things are now drying, and I'm waiting on a new valve so I should have things back together this weekend.

    Here are some pics: 93 240 Heater Valve

    Thanks again for the active dialog!








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      Coolant soaked padding - replace or clean? 200 1993

      Hi,

      I believe that you can use a foam called Poron that is better than what came from Volvo.
      I believe it is urethane or a derivative of something close to a neoprene’s characteristics. It touts a longer shelf life for retailers for marketing.

      I believe an open cell might capture more noise than a closed cell as why Volvo had it under a regular EDPM mat.
      They had thickness concerns and you will have to work with that perimeter as well. The carpet is cut and in a molded shape.

      That mat absorbed some moisture and was a good choice thing IMO.
      IT was not the greatest in having 30 years of resilience though.
      Most materials, of this flexible nature, out-gas or lose oils or plasticizers.
      Volvo’s material did well because it was out of the sun and the general atmosphere.

      I’m sure there is a tiny bit better foam product available today.
      Trick is if can you get the right information out of the rubber folks.
      I would stay away from high mass density weight vinyls as they get chilled easily and moisture will collect there.
      Their bag is they don’t rot and that’s about it.
      The Mass is to deaden panel vibrations just like butyl rubber has done. It has a legacy that is drawing more narrow only.
      You want a substrate to have some sound absorption. That adds distance or thickness and cars were not designed for thick blankets to muffle things.

      EPDM is a generic term for most rubbers not patented or designed to have some specific quality.
      Poron is in that middle line group and is used more and more. It is making foam prices competitive and getting separated out for general use that way.

      It doesn’t come with a backing from some of the samples I have seen on the Internet.
      I’m sure there may be some made with it or you should add your own.
      I prefer to see a breathable membrane on top that is puncture resistant as it supports a thin weaved carpet
      in the auto industry.
      Expense and weight are the excuses for the bean counters.

      There are some things out there from IPD and Summit Racing but are extremely overrated in price for what it takes to make the stuff, IMHO.
      DYNAMAT is one that I have seen in one Volvo and it had aluminum foil showing with its name plastered all over it. The car was tricked out by more expense than I care to imagine.
      Our youths are living like we use too with less emphasis connected to values being recoupable.

      For that reason It didn’t impress me in the least. I should say it was the least material with a questionable worth within marketing claims.
      I watch some YouTube that used a DB meter. He was disappointed with the numbers for his efforts plus what was the sound he excepted to eliminate.
      A DB meter is not the human mind processing sounds.
      What irritates one doesn’t do the same to others.

      For the most part, I think going to the trouble to do sound insulating is a waste of time.
      If it was any good the engineers wouldn’t have gone to using noise cancellation systems with microphones and speakers placed in specific locations.
      You can only isolate the cabin so far from the road and wind noise at ground levels. (:)
      An airplane has more of a definitive set of fixed frequencies coming into a cabin.
      That can help with selective engineering.

      Well I have over thought this thread!
      Maybe you can do research to find Poron instead of jute or felt that use to work.
      I have used jean denim between the seat foam and the spring frame of both seats in a car.
      It helps contain the digging of the springs into the deteriorating urethane foam, of which, helps in overall support and is another topic.

      It’s coming down to about how much effort that you want to expend.

      I’m here for entertainment in cyber land.
      Jeez isn’t that terrible (:-)
      I could do worse and go play in a sports game where Nobody remembers the scores years afterwards either.


      Phil








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      Coolant soaked padding - replace or clean? 200 1993

      I see you have a 1993. I think that orange conductor could be connected to a sensor under the driver seat. It could be the air bag trigger switch.

      If this is the case, myself I would disconnect the negative clamp at the battery.

      Sorru I cannot be more affirmative about this air bag system. I have seen it just once many years ago at a scrap yard. It is a safety precaution.

      Roland








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        Coolant soaked padding - replace or clean? 200 1993

        They're is generally no need to be that cautious in such circumstances. Working around the distinctively orange clad SRS wiring harnesses is generally safe as long as you're reasonably careful and don't expose the wiring inside such that you risk damaging the insulation and exposing bare wire. Even then the bare wire would have to be subject to a short or significant static voltage for anything to happen. Having said that then of course if you lack the confidence to do that then absolutely disconnect the battery negative terminal and tuck it safely out of the way. When actually working on the air bag systems, there's a second rule of thumb to avoid keeping your head out of the line of fire if an air bag should every happen to deploy for whatever possible reason.
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        Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now








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    Coolant soaked padding - replace or clean? 200 1993

    Hi,

    I will say it’s best to remove the mat with the carpet and inspect the bottom. The coolant will rot the rubbers below the carpet.
    Trouble is, getting the rubber mat out intact and it not cracking or crumbing.
    Bending it all backwards was not an intention to be done at this age.
    The seat removal idea is best as you will be shocked with what you find under them. Wood shavings (?) or Especially any spills on the brake/switch console. 😵‍💫

    Plan on being gentle and cunning while lifting it out. Slide you hand under it gently to feel it out.
    The older the car the more likely the above will happen as the older cars used butyl to stabilize wiring harnesses down tighter in places. That stuff oozes into the foam. Surprisingly the carpet can get shot of it.

    The coolant that is slightly oily and has probably is already gotten on the backside of the windshield.
    It promotes streaks and smears when cleaning.
    You will need a “stick on” window cleaner to break it down.
    I recently had two windshields replaced and my installer used an aerosol “SprayWay” product. They packaged about 2500 different products.
    It is obtainable in Walmart stores.
    It sells reasonably for @ about $3 a can in the automotive section.
    Mine and his were scented so don’t pay more for less. Elsewhere the prices are crazy!
    It says it’s used to do more than glass and leaves a nice fragrance for a short while.
    I have been an Invisible Glass fan but with all things considered, it beats them. IMO.

    We are enjoying your posts. Keep them coming!

    Phil








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    Coolant soaked padding - replace or clean? 200 1993

    Living in a region where road salt is used I do clean the front carpet every few years. I mean that I remove the carpet and under pads and wash these with soap. It takes just 15 minutes to remove, other posts describe how to do it.

    I lay the carpet on a polythene sheet on the driveway asphalt. I use the garden hose to rinse well and hang to dry in the sun.

    Good occasion to check for water leaks while you drive a couple days without carpets, under the rain if possible.

    Roland








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    Coolant soaked padding - replace or clean? 200 1993

    I've had coolant soaked carpets on a number of occasions and done along the lines you're thinking, either a carpet shampooer attachment with good suction or repeated rinsings with water and extraction with a shop vac. A shop vac can work well for this, especially in odd corners, even using a crevice tool. Start by blotting as much as you can with cloth and paper towels, squeeze hard. For the underpadding, do similar, lifting the carpet for access. Removing side panels and pulling up the plastic sill plates is worth the effort. On some models you may even need to unbolt the seat rails and lift the front to pull carpet tabs out (or just cut the tabs).

    For everything, use water (like from a spray bottle) and suction/blot dry. Repeat rinsings until there is absolutely no more sticky feel of residual coolant, even if it means soaking the carpet.

    If it's been there a while, use dilute bleach to kill and prevent mould under the carpet. If it's been there a really long time, check very carefully for any hint of surface rust and treat properly as needed. 240 floor pans are a known rust area (mosly the older models, 140s were the same).

    To prevent smells or freshen, sprinkle baking soda underneath when you're done (I still see white powder when I lift the carpets, no harm done).

    To speed drying, I'll prop a few short sticks under the carpet to keep it raised so the underneath and padding can air dry. Open the windows and doors (don't forget about the dome light). Use a fan/fans overnight as needed, even for a couple of days. Occasional heat will help it dry faster, like using a hair dryer or heat gun on low, but best not get carried away or leave heat unattended. I will admit to using heat lamps in damper weather, but I'm extremely careful to use extra shielding to eliminate any possible hazard.

    If it's really bad, remove the entire carpet section and clean it properly using carpet cleaning equipment, hanging it carefully to dry so as not to stretch the formed carpet.
    --
    Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now








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    Coolant soaked padding - replace or clean? 200 1993

    I hate it when things like that happen! I think just a good rinsing of the carpet and padding with plain water would be adequate. The materials are all synthetic so they should be fine. I don't think coolant is dangerous unless you drink it. You might want to check the label. As for cleaning the metal floor I think just a rag with soap and water is good. I would inquire here for advice on changing the valve. I would have good ventilation in the car for a while when driving as any fumes may a hazard.







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