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Help Starter Solenoid Screws 200 1981

Occasionally starter just clicks. I'm attempting to replace the solenoid but can not break mounting screws loose. Any suggestions very welcome.








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    Help Starter Solenoid Screws 200 1981

    I would heat them up, then spray them with WD-40... don't breathe the smoke. Do that 3-5 times, and it will pull some oil into the gap between screws and housing.

    Alternatively, you can use an impact driver - the kind you hit with a hammer. I bought mine from Harbor Freight on sale for like $8. You can find replacement 3/8" bits from Napa auto parts.








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    Help Starter Solenoid Screws 200 1981

    Hi,

    I've taken a half dozen apart and never had any trouble by using a cheap impact driver that I bought many years ago from JC Whitney. Besides starters it's come in handy for numerous other jobs.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/ABN-Reversible-Hand-Held-Impact-Driver-and-Impact-Screwdriver-Bits-Set/233227854354?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item364d76a212:g:unEAAOSwIVdeM208&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACgBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%252Fn%252BzU5L90Z278x5ickkai8xCwosGKpC0NWj85e%252FB%252BnChujXSFpjlcplA7%252BzfzETD0TFVBC3ewSgVhEVVSHJP4ObTEAkDmQO5CcmBQKvafqai4rZA4OTm2C%252FyNakR0ofFw7urwWBTL7DBhzjASWVgemdCW9cSFzfw5sTL2JDzkjlcCbNCy%252F%252BT1Gdkpo71y9oB%252F5Ov8a1Hrs7dk3YiF2IShpI4xGrCY60%252FRtwtd9XpeJIYpQFfPIQQG9H%252FZzN%252FsCulXahtHNACCLAynnEMYLau7t57BzJi9q22jJBnmIoE21eXBArE%252FF4JFDEA5lrjYZ8H2JKJrTN4eibsKq79mCo4jhtQ4MuYJTIolm3E05swAhzbH6ri5qFkkPhZdO7IB9cpqlD8v7xynJP8V7BDYvA3m6WQuJlH4uCbsTbwImrY3MWU1V5FlTd2txB0u%252FdN5hGYyo5%252FdTxMZBbtQ6c0kcFHNtWRnQwRFo7YmNGkpP8PxldpJMAiw0iuxxujLKHTwof9iDZhFT9VAqBcjvnSqIW7wpaR8snJ%252By%252FET0EGNb72NjmmIDza3o%252BSPp0bnwwG2GCYcQRaBKGQs4ZbhLpHDSbYv5dukD9RhUA4Vn2cxjLJ%252FwLEzOn6usBz7K9Oa5CXhW33a36a8u%252BjrgRQ%252FLVA7I1gsl1%252Bv3RMEiOUBfQnASJbt1%252ByRMIzuCB%252ByDupmRCNogQok9IOStDAJHm63CBj2XNiEyvauZbmqHDlNkd11Ts7njVzMaARyEXxLo644%252BbcxRutZ%252BrHfzWF1psUTHoHSmpGuLA4qmAF543wDwfH5IXDWLDFa5VnRUxk%252Bdrh1zHTxU%253D%7Ccksum%3A23322785435430bb08dd07154bc6b10017c6d113f4e4%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2334524

    Peter








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    Help Starter Solenoid Screws 200 1981

    Thanks all for good suggestions but I think I'm throwing in the towel. Those screw slots are pretty shallow and I fear tearing them even with a good fitting screw driver with a square shaft. The aluminum starter frame has just clearance holes and the treads are in the solenoid. So I thought about just hack sawing the solenoid off and the screw studs coming out with it.

    However, there's just too many things that don't look good in this starter. The commutator looks warn way down and the large bearing just behind the starter gear has what look like crimped on covers so you can't clean it out and put in fresh grease. The new brushes have solder leads but the starters' appear to be spot welded on the the brush holder and field coil and crimped into the brushes. Leads could be spliced I guess.

    I believe this is the original starter and so has 300+ Kmiles. I rebuilt the engine at 200k but not the starter. So I'll turn it in for the $10 core value on a "re-manufactured" one at the local auto parts store. Its a Bosch# 0 001 311 103 (NLA). I found parts at marineengine.com and a new substitute at obbstartersandalternators.com. A good rebuild video at
    https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=3tN3vhIW3Fc.









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      Help Starter Solenoid Screws 200 1981

      I've been over the same thing a few times. If I felt like it, I think that could be rebuilt, but at the same time, I would buy a new one from RockAuto - they're about the same price as rebuilt, often cheaper because you don't have to return a core.

      I'm kind of surprised that there are only 2 brushes on there. I have seen the whole assembly with brushes, but honestly... it's like $45 for the assembly and brushes without any other new parts (bushings/bearings) and $70 for a new one.








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      Help Starter Solenoid Screws 200 1981

      I think your diagnosis is the correct one. A reputable electric shop could make the starter work like new again, but that would cost more than a new starter. You got your money's worth after 300K.

      Giving the tops of the screws a good whack with a 1lb hammer is worth a shot, but having the correct size screwdriver is more important.
      --
      Keeping it running is better than buying new








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        Help Starter Solenoid Screws 200 1981

        My conclusion exactly. The general worn condition of the internals, my only transportation being disabled, and not having all the right tools led me to wimp-out and have a re-manufactured unit delivered just to get the job over. I just hope it lasts.








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      Help Starter Solenoid Screws 200 1981

      Impact Screw Driver








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        Help Starter Solenoid Screws 200 1981

        Yes, impact screwdriver.





        I bought this in 1970 to work on a '68 Honda CL350.

        These screws are for the PM starter used in the later 240's:


        --
        Art Benstein near Baltimore

        Real Engineers buy their spouses a set of matched screwdrivers for their birthday.








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        Help Starter Solenoid Screws 200 1981

        Similar but not exactly the same.

        those cleats the attatch to bike shoes-- that match the clipless pedals.

        Those threads seize. Trying to change to a new set of cleats---even with T-Grip hex wrenches---

        Power tools--- carpentry power tools---








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    Help Starter Solenoid Screws 200 1981

    Make sure you are using a large screwdriver that is an absolute PERFECT fit in the slot- no slop, no movement..

    It needs to be a screwdriver with a hex handle and match that handle up with the correct size box end wrench.

    Get a helper to hold the assembly in place and apply downward force on the screwdriver while you tension the screwdriver with the box end wrench.

    Once everything is in place and under tension strike the end of the screwdriver with a heavy hammer.

    Good luck,
    Randy
    --
    Any twenty minute job is just a broken bolt away from a three day ordeal








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    Help Starter Solenoid Screws 200 1981


    Not much room to work there. I was going to suggest a screwdriver bit socket if you can find one with a long enough bit. Then use a long breaker bar. You'd want someone to hold the starter while you wail away on the breaker. If it still won't free up use a long piece of pipe over the breaker for more leverage.

    Or maybe the cheaper alternative of the biggest pair of vise grips you can find clamped tightly to the shaft of that screwdriver in the pic. Might not work but it's worth a try.


    --
    '79 242, '84 DL 2 door, '80 DL 2 door, '89 DL Wagon, '15 XC70 T6 AWD








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    Help Starter Solenoid Screws 200 1981

    try one of those Lith-Bat pac
    Carpentry Drill/Drivers (DeWalt etc)
    or if no joy there --- same builder line -- impact driver.

    IF you have those tools for working on your house.

    After soaking with a dab of Fluid Film for few days...it will migrate to some of the threads







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