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I couldn't find any posts or even comments on the topic on this bulletin board.
My 1980 242 DL has 134k miles, is in storage, but didn't *seem* have have problems, such as oil burning. I'm unsure when I'll take it out of storage, but I've been keeping it maintained for that day and would like to do so. Looking through the spark plug holes this afternoon, I can see that the piston crowns are full of carbon soot.
Other car owners, especially Saturns and 1998-2002 Toyota Corollas, do a piston soak to clean the piston oil rings and piston oil passages, which get gummed up and cause oil burning. Most report success with reducing oil burning. Chemicals used include Berryman B12, Marvel Mystery Oil, and kerosene. These are exclusively 4 cylinder vertical engines, which lend themselves to even distribution of the chemicals around the piston oil rings.
My B23F engine, like most B2** engines, sits at an angle, so I'm unsure as to how much even penetration of the piston rings will occur if I pour chemicals into the combustion chamber.
Thoughts?
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It ran fine, even passing smog, back around 2011, when I decided to put it into storage. I have not fired up the engine since then.
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Well, sadly, about the worst thing you can do is just let one sit. My counsel was going to be -- start it up and run it every few weeks, but you're way past that now. After 10 years of sitting - almost any system that has any kind of fluid in it has the potential to have problems -- especially fuel and brake systems. Old seals and gaskets dry out, etc.
If you simply want to be sure it will turn over, won't hurt to fog the cylinders with WD40 and put a ratchet on the crank pulley. But letting any vehicle sit that long is just asking for trouble. I have two hot rods -- get them out once a week for at least a 20 minute drive. Oil changes at least once a year, and all the rest of the fluids (power steering, brake, coolant, tranny, rearend) changed every 3 years.
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Thanks.
I did exactly what you suggested until...
About 10 years ago on this bulletin board, the feedback I got here about storing the car was NOT to start the car weekly, start-ups are THE worst thing I could do. Just put it on jacks, use Sta-Bil in the gas tank, add fogging spray to the spark plug holes, and crank the engine occasionally. I've done all of this. I also check the fluids and change as needed. Last Christmas, I saw the seal above the water pump swollen, so I changed the timing belt, front oil seals, and water pump.
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It all comes down to how you see the future for this car. Will it ever see the road again in your hands? Even if the car started and appeared to run without problems after fitting a battery and adding some new gas what would you personally do to make it ready for a new life back on the road. How would you realistically value the car taking the body and interior condition into account?
Questions, questions.
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I'll jump in here as I also have a fair amount of experience with reviving long dormant motors. First I'll address what should and shouldn't be done. Suggestions to not start a motor periodically while in storage are well founded if--when starting the motor you simply run it for a few minutes. The procedure that Michael Yount follows is good, taking the car for a long enough drive to thoroughly bring all components to full operating temperature. What you have done by cranking the motor periodically by hand or starter is also beneficial.
I would not be concerned over finding piston tops with caked on carbon as those deposits indicate the motor was never run hard enough to keep the pistons clean when the car was still on the road. What I would be concerned with is the possibility of stuck or frozen rings. I would squirt ATF into each cylinder--3 or 4 good squirts. If you have a compressor good, but if not purchase or borrow a small portable air tank and attach a blower tool with an extended tip. Hold a rag over the spark plug hole to protect yourself and the surroundings from blowback and give each oiled cylinder a quick blast or two of air to spread the oil within the cylinder. Put the plugs back in--they don't have to be fully tight. Let soak and repeat after a few days. A couple or three such applications should be enough to get ATF down to the ring grooves.
When you are ready to actually start the motor I'd leave the plugs out, drape a rag over each plug hole and with a fully charged battery crank the motor until (in 15 second bursts if necessary to avoid overheating the starter) the oil pressure light goes out. At that point replace the plugs and fire it up. It will probably smoke like a chimney but let it run at idle or idle plus a bit. Eventually the smoking will diminish (unless there are already broken rings). When you take it out for its first drive go easy with a light throttle. To give you encouragement I'll relate my greatest success. I did these procedures on a Triumph GT6 that had been stored in a damp stone garage with a dirt floor for 10 years. The motor was completely seized so I could not turn it from the crankshaft front pulley bolt. I had to remove the starter and slowly work it back and forth by prying on the flywheel teeth until it would make a complete turn. That took the better part of a full day. With it ready to start (fresh gas from a remote container and the oil changed) it fired up - fogged up the immediate area with smoke (luckily our shop was in a wide open area with no residential neighbors). It took a number of hours of running slowly before the smoking diminished-but it did. Good luck (not said sarcastically) -- Dave
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I've rotated the crankshaft bolt manually every few months while in storage; it has not been a problem.
Given that circumstance, what, if anything, should I be pouring or spraying down my spark plug holes to keep the piston rings supple? I live in a moist area where things literally rust ovenight!
Thanks
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I like using ATF for this purpose. It is light enough to reach the tight spots and has a a strong ability to keep things clean. Given that the motor has been free with your regular rotation my guess is you will not have any problems. It is when rust really builds up on cylinder walls that results in pistons getting stuck. It sounds like you've done the right thing. - Dave
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Thanks.
I'm torn about keeping the car. It's in great shape, both when I put it into storage and since. Definitely a one-of-a-kind. Part of me feels guilty about using it as a daily driver (LOTS of bad drivers who might hit it and bulky to park), the other part guilty about having it as a garage paperweight (fun to drive as a stick shift). My family is giving me flak about wanting extra garage space (I wear the pants in the house - the title to the house says so, LOL).
The car is SO easy to work on compared to my Toyotas (well, the timing belt was harder to do than on my B230F/1988 244). However, there are rarely junkyard donor cars.
Over the past 15 years, I have collected parts. I now have a spare, rebuilt 5-speed transmission for it (got an A in the class), numerous almost new tires/rims from my now deceased 1988 244, and most importantly spare CIS fuel injection components and CIS diagnostic tool/hose set.
If selling, I would smog it, get it appraised, then listing it for sale. It's definitely the right car for a collector.
I get 20-something mpg vs 35 mpg with my Toyota.
Idiots tailgate me in whatever I drive. A few weeks back, I test drove a Toyota Tacoma. An idiot in a Tesla cut me off, just a few feet from my rolling over him, while jerks in SUVs were tailing me on the freeway.
On the other hand, I have a Toyota that was burning oil and now has metal in the drain plug, signifying that I will need to look for another daily driver. I'm sure that it should be fully insured (collision/comprehensive).
My mechanic, who is walking distance from my house, had a bad experience with fixing my 1988 240's parking brake. He refuses to be my backstop on any further Volvos I bring him. He will gladly work on my Toyota, which I loathe doing timing belt/water pumps on.
My Toyota requires fewer repairs than my 1988 240, but I myself can do most of the repairs on the 240. I also have a CIS diagnostic tool (looks like an octopus with all the hoses).
Thoughts?
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Wish I had a mechanic within walks my distance of my house.
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Opinions vary. Not my first rodeo. Regular driving enough to get them fully up to operating temp and keeping fluids clean is always the best approach.
Good luck with it.
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I have done a piston soak once on a 8 hp Brigg & Stratton 4 stroke motor.
It is on a wood splitter hydraulic pump. I loan the machine to a person who ran it all day long without checking oil level every 2 hours as I instructed. Eventualy the motor stopped.
I purged out what ever was left of the black oil and filled it to level. Then the suprise was that it was burning oil like hell. I could see the blue smoke downwind at my third neighbor.
Obviously the rings were seized in their piston groves. This is and old motor, I could hardly crank it by hand. A motor that has no wear would freeze hard and would never move, possibly has a groved cylinder wall.
I removed the spark plug and sprayed PB Blaster and cranked it to move the piston. Did that may be 10 times over 2 days. When the engine started it smoked heavy for 10-15 seconds and got slowly back to normal.
I had to repeat the PB Blaster every time I use it since 5 years otherwise it does not stop burning oil after 10 seconds.
I do not have competence to indicate you what is the best treatment for your engine, but I myself would not run it long if it starts burning oil. I would go to a treatment to free the rings.
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Thanks. Just to be clear, I do not know whether my Volvo is burning oil.
However, my Toyota IS. I did a piston soak recently. In the past 900 miles, it's not burning oil. However, last night I checked the oil and found it very dark. Since oil is cheaper than engines, I replaced it. The magnetic drain plug caught 1/2 a fingernail sized magnetic sludge. Hopefully, that reflects 153k of engine wear and not the piston soak :(
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