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OK, I give up ... been searching the board and the internet with little success
Here's the issue
'93 940 base wagon
Bulb failure indicator in dash came on.
Right rear tail light goes out when brake pedal pressed and R/R stop light does not come on, with ignition in Run. Left rear works normally, center stop light comes on, headlights work normally.
So I put new matching sylvania 1157 bulbs in both tail lights.
Replaced my ground wire from the right tail light common ground bar to the chassis.
Cleaned the metal contact surfaces around the Tail/Stop light socket, and on the socket itself.
No fix.
So I checked the new 1157s, out of the sockets, with my multi-meter - and found continuity between the 2 contacts on the bottom of each bulb.
I thought each filament on an 1157 should be isolated from the other???
(I got continuity between each individual filament contact and the metal base, as I expected.)
Any suggestions?
TIA, Tim
I'm thinking seriously about removing the stop light wire from the right socket, and driving with left & center stop lights.
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When you clean the contacts on a light bulb socket, don't forget the part of the ground terminal that rubs against the metal side of the bulb.
After I gave it a good cleaning, my tail light problems went away.
Apparently when it was humid outside, the ground strip in the socket was not making clean contact, too much resistance.
Photo attached - under the word "GROUNDD", look for the narrow metal strip that runs down in the side of the socket.
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Seems to have fixed itself - the tail light and brake light are functioning normally ... one day they weren't, now they are, I didn't touch them.
Only thing I can figure is that it's a humidity issue - a cold front came through and humidity dropped to 35%. Let's see if the issue comes back when we get more rainy days
Thanks to all who contributed ideas
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Yes, like Spook says, presuming you have the ground and contacts all cleaned up and snug then it's likely the bulb sensor relay. If you're not familiar, it's the round red relay, back left corner of relay tray. For access, remove ash tray and fuse panel cover, remove storage box (two screws behind bezel surrounding the lighter socket), lift relay tray at front and pull forward a bit to get enough height clearance at the back. Often easiest to pull surrounding relays to get a better grip.
They're not overly cheap or easy to come by locally so try to borrow one for testing purposes or maybe get a used from a yard hoping it's okay. All 240s/740s/940s from 1986-on use the same bulb sensor.
Hella made the original relays for Volvo, but Kaehler (KAE) now supplies them using a different internal design with electronics instead of counter-wound coils and reed switches. I've recently had problems with two new KAEs being way too sensitive to voltage or current fluctuations (tested in two cars). They may have been from the same bad batch.
For those handy with a fine tipped soldering iron, the original bulb sensor relays can often be repaired by re-flowing the solder at the major connections on the two tiered boards inside. Some are a bit difficult to access. You usually only need to worry about reflowing the main connections for the pins, jumper stakes and sensor coils for the problem circuit. In your case you can trace the brake light circuitry between pins 54S (input from the brake switch), 54L (left rear), 54R (right rear), and S (3rd brake light). The headlight circuit is the next most troublesome, so while you're in there you might as well trace and re-do the circuit between pins 56b, 56bL and 56bR. You can usually leave the solder joints on the sensing circuit alone, like the tiny little reed switches, resistors, caps and transistors. Do not be tempted like me to bend and straighten out the delicate reed switches going through the middle of the sensing coils as the ceramic coating becomes brittle with age and heat so can easily crack and expose the contacts (resulted in a later internal short that gave me a bit of grief).
If you don't have a spare for testing or don't want to attempt re-soldering then before condemning your bulb sensor it might be worth doing some simple further testing to see if the symptoms are more than what you've indicated to us.
a) With the park lights off (meaning key off as you have permanent DRL), does your right brake now also light at the rear when you depress the pedal? If it does then that may point the finger away from the bulb sensor. Oh, and just in case you haven't figured it out for yourself, for single person testing purposes it's handy to use a stick wedged between the seat and the brake pedal to trip the brake switch.
b) Disconnect the right brake light yellow wire off the back of the light assembly (tape it and keep it away from chassis metal). With the park lights on as before, when you depress the brake pedal does the right rear park light still go out (in addition to the right brake light not being on)? If so, that may also point the finger away from the bulb sensor.
c) Using a half decent ohmmeter (at like an RX1000 setting), with everything off and disconnecting all other wires at the right rear assembly except leaving the black ground wire still on its tab, when you measure between the metal ground strip on the light assembly and chassis ground, do you get near zero resistance? There's not a lot of clean bare metal back there, leastwise not in wagons (the small screws in the tailgate opening aluminum floor trim strip are not ideal but will do as a start if you can get a zero reading between two screws to know they're okay to use). Move your taillight test point further up the ground strip to the corresponding contact on the back of the brake bulb holder (basically as close as possible to the bulb base). If you're not getting virtually zero ohms to a good chassis ground at both test points then you need to go back and clean up all ground contacts and wiring connections. Pay special attention to that taillight chassis ground stud, which on wagons lives inconveniently just inside and behind the side panel -remove the taillight assembly for improved access. At the very least, loosen the nut there, spray contact cleaner and rotate the terminals back and forth a bit as you re-tighten the nut to see if that at least temporarily improves things. It's best to open that ground right up, polish all contact surfaces and use something like De-Oxit or at least dielectric grease to protect from corrosion.
And finally, the continuity behaviour you witnessed through the double filament brake/tail light bulb is correct. Think of how these bulbs are constructed as a "T" with one filament in each upper arm of the "T" and the bottom of the "T" connecting to the metal bulb base. Looking across between the top two contact points is like looking through one big long filament. Resistance will of course measure differently between any two points depending on the amount of filament the test current has to pass through, but for the sake of declaring a yes/no continuity, current can still pass.
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Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now
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a) "With the park lights off" - both brake lights come on
b) "Disconnect the right brake light yellow wire" - when I do that, the right rear parking light will not come on.
c) "Using a half decent ohmmeter" - I'll try that
Re: bulb continuity - thanks
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b) "Disconnect the right brake light yellow wire" - when I do that, the right rear parking light will not come on.
Ahah! That one test just nailed it down. It would seeem it's not the bulb sensor.
Your right park light isn't finding ground out through the black wire, but rather finding ground by going through the bulb, turning around and going back up through the brake filament and the yellow wire all the way to the bulb sensor then presumably finding it's way to some sort of ground, like through the left side brake bulb. When the brake lights are activated, all the power goes down the left side as there's no easy path to ground down the right side other than through many extra filaments, including the right front park light.
One way to prove this is with that yellow wire disconnected and the park lights on, connect a long jumper wire to a reliable ground source, like the black wire over in the left tail light. Touch the other end of the jumper to the bulb base contact in the back of the bulb holder on the right side and the park light should now light.
You need to re-check the grounding and contacts at the right tail light assembly, including inside the bulb holder.
One thing occured to me, is this a white plastic bulb holder on the right? The left side uses a special white plastic bulb holder for the two filament brake/park bulb, but the right side uses a black holder.
Something else just occurred to me. Another thing I can think of is that you've got a broken or badly worn socket hole in the back of the tail light assembly and the bulb holder is not staying seated. Actually, now that I think of it I've had such problems at that very same right tail light assembly in one of my 940 wagons a few years back. What I ended up having to do was bend out and slightly twist one or two of the contacts on the tail light so that when I inserted and turned the bulb holder the metal contact on the bulb holder rode under the contact in the tail light assembly and pinched the contacts tight for proper contact. It's not a good solution and can work its way loose again, but it did work.
It's often a bit difficult to properly see what you're doing in that corner of a wagon, especially on a dark wintry day. If you're having problems, may I recommend you remove the tail light assembly with the wiring still connected so you can better see what you're doing. A 10 mm deep socket on a 1/4" nut driver with a short extension makes the job super easy and you're less likely to drop the nuts into a hidden corner. You just need to open up the right side storage well so you can feed the nut driver and extension in through the two holes in the chassis. Worth the price of a 10mm deep 1/4" socket as you'll find 10 mm nuts and bolts hidden all over the car.
Post back and let us know how you make out
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Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now
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Dear GAcyclops,
Hope you're well. Yes. If you have a "known good" replacement bulb burn-out relay, substitute that for the in-service unit.
If there's no change, then remove both light clusters, clean - using fine steel wool - all bulb-holder and wire contacts, including the contact points on each cluster's ground strip. Make sure the contact tabs on each bulb holder press firmly against the contacts on the cluster housing. Gently bend outwards, any that seem "depressed".
Put a thin coat of di-electric (bulb) grease on all cleaned contacts. This inhibits corrosion formation. Sometimes an invisibly-thin layer of corrosion adds just enough resistance to trigger the bulb burn-out warning light.
You can do this clean-up bulb-by-bulb - and contact-by-contact - and spend a couple of weeks finding the one or two problematic contacts. Or, you can spend an hour to clean-up both clusters, from top to bottom (literally).
Hope this helps.
Yours faithfully,
Spook
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