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Stalled after hitting hole - won't start 200

On my way home from work today, my otherwise reliable '89 240 with m47 stalled after hitting a hole where the road changed from pavement to dirt. I drive this road several times a week and the hole wasn't any worse than it usually is. It stalled almost immediately and won't start. Intermittently, it will seem like it's going to start, but quickly go back to just cranking until I turn the ignition off and try starting it again.

Here's what I've done so far...

Checked fuse panal - #7 keeps burning out, but I think that is just for the brake lights

Replaced 25amp fuse even though it looked ok.

Unplugged MAF to see if it would start in "limp mode"

Check spark/distributer wires to make sure they were tight

Gas tank is almost full

Replaced fuel pump relay

Any recommendations on how to check spark/fuel easily while alone on the side of the road are welcome.

Thanks!

-Matt
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'89 244 M47








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    Stalled after hitting hole - won't start 200

    Well, I tracked the issue down to a broken wire at the fuel pump. I must have been hearing the in tank pump when I jumped the fuses. Now i have to figure to how to reconnect it, because the plastic connectors on the pump have deteriorated and broken. Then I need to figure out where the brake lights are shorting, and I should be back on the road.

    Thanks for the input!
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    '89 244 M47








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      Stalled after hitting hole - won't start 200

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      Stalled after hitting hole - won't start 200

      Hi,

      Thanks for the feedback!
      There have been quite a few of those.

      I guess this will still go under my column I have reserved for “bad connections at the fuel pump” that I mentioned early on.

      I went around to the darkside to get to the other things that can cause a similar issue.

      Just goes to show that if you throw enough rocks at something as you will eventually get tired and be happy you could throw!

      Phil








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    Stalled after hitting hole - won't start 200

    I pulled the return line on the fuel pressure regulator and attached a long clear hose. Between jumping fuses 4 and 6 and cranking the car, I couldn't get any fuel to come out. So, it seems like I have a blockage somewhere. Is it possible for the fuel filter to become this clogged without any previous symptoms, or should I be looking at the fuel line itself. In-tank pump was replaced about 8 or 9 years ago, and tank is almost full.

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks
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    '89 244 M47








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      The absolute easist thing to do Before you go chasing a clogged fuel filter/line or whatever, somehow mystereously and suddenly brought on by hitting a Bump --- since U have confirmed by jumping the fuses that the pumps run...

      is to replace the CPS""""

      ******************"rhe CPS is about 8 or 9 years old and looks to be in good condition"""

      8 or 9 Years is a Long Time.

      A flaw/fault in the OLD CPS is something that can not necessarily be seen...you can's see the condition of the Sensor's pick up head that gets the signal from the fly wheel. It sits inside the bell housing. It cud be falling apart.

      Do this first before you dive into the fuel delivery system








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      Stalled after hitting hole - won't start 200

      Hi,

      On the idea that you hear the pump running and a blockage it would have to be really plugged!
      You're saying not a drop, jeez this is very unusual.
      The fuel lines are metal along underneath the body of the car. They are tucked away pretty good but it's not impossible for a rock or a chunk of road to smash a line flat!

      Did you loosen the fuel rail incoming connection?
      The FPR will not open to the fuel tank until the pressure is above 35 psi. The pump can hit almost a hundred psi.

      If still no fuel spray there, this means that the idea that the pump is not pumping or enough.

      You are looking at dropping the pump tray and working on the connections there.
      The big filter is a hard (pita) thing to loosen the connections on. So don't!
      It is hard to get back together with out new copper washers and lots of torque to stop leaking.
      Be prepared if you go there!

      I would go after the outlet of the pump that connects over to that filter.
      There is also a check valve in between the pump and the filter.
      Remove and inspect it to only allow flow outwards. Try to Blow through it
      The purpose of a check valve is to hold fuel up to the fuel rail during shut down.
      I suspect it has to function somewhat to work with the pump even though the pump it is a positive displacement roller pump. The check valve is sold separately if needed.
      The pump should only hum and not be sounding like it's crunching BB's.

      Good luck

      Phil









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    This happened to me with an 84. Found a broken tab on the Hal sensor and it was knocked loose. Put it back together and cranked right up.
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    Roy McAllister








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    "...the spark was good. Had my girlfriend turn the key, but I wasn't able to hear the fuel pump engage...."

    Check the fuel pressure. Whether or not you have proper pressure at the injector rail will help you know in which direction to start digging.

    If no, or low, fuel pressure, you can run jumper wires directly from the battery to the pump(s) to see if that gets it running.
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    Current rides: 2005 Volvo S80 2.5T, 2003 Volvo V70 2.4NA, 1973 Volvo 1800ES (getting ever closer to road worthiness)








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      Stalled after hitting hole - won't start 200

      Just for kicks, I tried starting the car this morning and it seemed like it was going to fire up, but then immediately quit after running for a second or two.

      I jumped fuse #4 to #6 and can hear the main fuel pump running. I tried starting it like this with no luck.
      Is there a way to check fuel pressure without a gauge?

      There's no fuel or smell in the pressure regulator.

      CPS is about 8 or 9 years old and looks to be in good condition.

      Checked timing belt tension, and it seems good.
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      '89 244 M47








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    Stalled after hitting hole - won't start 200

    Hi,

    In reading over your post I was going to ask can you hear the main pump running?
    You may have jarred loose a connection underneath the car going to the pump or the pump is old and is having trouble restarting.

    Was the pump recently replace as some mechanics hokey the connections if they don't match?

    I would go back to check out that fuse panel for corroded fuses. "Number seven blows occasionally?"
    What's up with that?
    You want to be rear ended or like being stopped so you can to talk to a few officers.
    If I tried that, I wouldn't make it ten miles! It seems somtimes that I live in a police state.
    Oh! I get it now. You use dirt roads! Not many cops on those as some cops have to wash their cars and empty out those fast food bags!


    I think #4 and #6 are the two that if you jumper the left or right side to each othe will make both pump run.
    Read the following and look at the pictures to help you get those pumps to run because I'm so vague!

    http://cleanflametrap.com/transferPump.htm

    Flab brings up a good point about the timing belt especially if you have not serviced the tensioner in few oil changes. Doubt the hole caused a belt to slip but when "its" time comes around and this thing goes around a lot, a good thumping can be a nice coincidental wake up call!

    Enough times hitting holes in the road cannot be good for anything on any car.

    I Hope Art's web site helps!

    Phil








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      Stalled after hitting hole - won't start 200

      Thanks for the input Phil.

      What I actually said was "#7 keeps burning out". I checked the fuse panel initially when the car wouldn't start and replaced #7 when I saw it was blown. I checked some other things on the car then went back to the fuse panel to make sure I didn't miss anything. This is when I found #7 blown for the second time. I wasn't aware until now that my brake lights hadn't been working, and would have fixed them if I had been. I assume this isn't keeping my car from starting but thought it was worth mentioning.
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      '89 244 M47








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    Make sure that your timing belt didn't jump a tooth. It's possible that some of these other sensors were damaged, but I hav had a similar experience when the timing belt stripped a few teeth.








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    Stalled after hitting hole - won't start 200

    I was able to go back this morning and check that the spark was good. Had my girlfriend turn the key, but I wasn't able to hear the fuel pump engage. Anything else I could check?

    Thanks
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    '89 244 M47








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    Check ground wire to engine block 200

    Check ground wire to engine block from battery. If it came loose from the jarring, you may not be able to get good spark and injector operation.
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    1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb, M46 trans, 3:31 dif, in Brampton, Ont.








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    Stalled after hitting hole - won't start 200

    Check the crank position sensor (CPS).

    https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo-reference-sensor-rpm-240-740-760-780-940-271949

    https://youtu.be/wgojsj5qHZg







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