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Have never heard a sound quite like this before 200

Got in the '82 242 DL yesterday. Started it up. No problem. Now, I have noticed for the last six months that the transmission makes a 'whirring' noise when the clutch is engaged (pedal up) and transmission in neutral. Push the pedal to the floor and the noise is gone. I also have some gear whine in 1st and 2nd, mostly when decelerating. I attribute that to the fact that the car is 36 years old and has 380K on the original engine and M46 transmission. Clutch is about three years old. Maybe 25K miles, if that.

So, I let the clutch out and start to accelerate in 1st. What the heck is that?! A horrible and LOUD noise coming from the transmission. Sounds like I took about a dozen marbles, put them in an empty coffee can, and then shook the heck out of the can. It stopped when I shifted into 2nd. Okay. Drive a few blocks to the next stop light. This time, the noise persisted through 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears.

Now, the weird thing is that it doesn't do it every time. Sometimes, I can "launch" the car with no strange noises. I'd say about every third time that I accelerate from a stop, I get the "marbles in a coffee can" noise. It sounds really nasty though!

Any ideas? I am guessing a bearing got chewed up and the pieces are getting kicked around. But which bearing? Strangely, the car drives and shifts normally.








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    Drained the tranny fluid - uh oh 200

    Drained the tranny and cleaned the screen. There are a ton of shavings in the fluid, and I found what I believe to be a mangled ball bearing. So I am thinking either input shaft bearing or counter shaft bearing failure. Would probably be a good idea to park this car until it can be fixed.

    My inclination is to try and find a used, lower mile M46 and swap it in for my existing (380K mile) M46. My concern with that is it will probably be difficult to find one that does not have issues of some kind, given how old these gearboxes are now. Would I be better off trying to fix or rebuild the box I have?








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      Drained the tranny fluid - uh oh 200

      call the two recyclers/dismantelers in Atlanta that have been cited here on the BB

      http://www.autodisassemblyvolvo.com/parts.html

      http://www.voluparts.com/










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    Heard something matching your description 200

    ... and also matching the coincidence with pulling out first gear on an M46 to discover a crack in the downpipe which opened wider with torque. This was an '83 242 turbocharged, so the downpipe/cat is different from your DL, but my first thought was a sound generated by metal on metal. In fact, most exhaust leaks right close to the motor can sound like metal rapping on metal. The operative word is "loud."
    --
    Art Benstein near Baltimore

    Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before.








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    Have never heard a sound quite like this before 200

    "Marbles in a coffee can" is precisely the description many people use to describe knock or detonation/pre-ignition. You're sure it's coming from the tranny?

    If you're sure tranny is source, I agree with other poster - drain fluid and see if exhibits signs of metallic content that shouldn't be there.








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      Have never heard a sound quite like this before 200

      Good call, but it is definitely not knocking/pre-ignition. I have heard that before with low quality/low octane gas.

      This is LOUD, and obviously coming from the transmission. It also gets louder and the "clanks" closer together as engine RPM increases. I had a friend drive the car and I could hear this noise from half a block away. It's nasty, whatever it is.








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      Have never heard a sound quite like this before 200

      This may seem nutty but I'd take a good look at the shift boot. A split boot can make a perfectly good tranny sound like it needs a rebuild compared to what it sounds like with a good boot. As Michael Y pointed out -- can of marbles is often the description of severe pre-ignition and a split boot will let the noise in that much more. -- Dave








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    Have never heard a sound quite like this before 200

    the first thing that you shud do is get a clean pan---like a cat litter pan ---pref white or other lite color....and drain the fluid.

    then look at the magnet on the drain plug.









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      Have never heard a sound quite like this before 200

      in the fluid ---- color? brass particles floating (syncros), steel particles(bearings)----and the drain magnet the larger the worse it is---filings

      If nothing really bad found then look for an external problem.










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        Have never heard a sound quite like this before 200

        If the input shaft bearing is going, is it possible that the ball bearings are falling out and getting chucked around inside the tranny? I wonder if that is what the noise is - it is definitely a metallic sound.








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          Have never heard a sound quite like this before 200

          Hello,

          I think the best advice has come from CB posts!
          It's time to spend some time down below.
          Looking into its blood drainage is a first step.

          A whirling sound, in neutral position, is most likely one of the two front input shaft bearings. These are two bearings that do "turn all the time" at engine speed even in neutral.

          A throw out bearing can make a noise when the clutch is depressed. Otherwise, that should not be turning unless there is no play between it and the clutch arm. The whole affair spins as a unit.

          Do you have some free play at the beginning of the throw on the clutch pedal? I think there is suppose to be one inch up there and about one fourth of that below.


          The weird part about this is that it's coming and going. More so, involving slowing down ... without shifting problems.
          How does the shift lever present a feel of vibrations?
          Have you held onto the shift levers base with your finger tips?
          Pushing the lever for each gear, with the play in it held at either end lightly, holds the gear shift fingers play in one direction.
          Do you feel any rumble through it as it sounds off?

          With that said, I think CB is right to advise you to look closely elsewhere and working with his idea, it might be flowing towards some bad-u-joints!
          Have they ever been changed out?

          I have some that old on my cars and I check them fairly regularly because I have a car lift that makes it an easier routine.
          That doesn't mean I won't have a failure as those needle bearing do not spin around. They will get rusty and crunchy working back forth in a short arc of rotation distance. I don't unbolt my driveshaft routinely and truly feel them out. I'm not anal but I do stock the joints though.

          Slowing down and a snap change of direction upsets the apple cart with them needles bearings! They can be Fine one day, then Bam, they can cry out or fall out! The noise after that, I will say, must be indescribable!

          The can of marbles it awful unnerving, in context to precision device and a transmission definitely is that!
          It's the coming and going that haunts me on this. Expect shorter intervals to be on the horizon, if it's transmission?
          So with it moving on to second and third gears the bearings may be losing some thrust handling capability. An inducement from the driveshaft might get to the tail shaft bearing.
          Is a rear seal weeping a bit too much?

          Keep us posted, as you have interesting subject of symptoms.

          Phil







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