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Transmission pan gasket issue 200

Hello all,
Last year I replaced my transmission pan gasket with a rubber gasket, I also used gasket sealer but a small drip was always constant. This weekend I noticed a puddle under the car. I removed the tranny pan and realized that the gasket was slit longways about a three inch slice.
I replaced the gasket with a non-rubber Fel-Pro brand. I torqued the 14 bolts to 44 lb. using a three inch extension. This morning there was a puddle under the car again. I got the socket set out and realized that the bolts were not tight-tight and were somewhat easy to turn 1/4.
Does using an extension effect the torque.
Tranny fluid continued to drip out the pan gasket while running errands this afternoon.
Should I tighten the bolts up again?








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    Transmission pan gasket issue 200

    I agree w/Phil that the bolts were way over tightened. I recall the Haynes manual for the 240 series lists torque specs for the tranny sump.








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    Transmission pan gasket issue 200

    Hi,

    The 14 bolts to 44 lb. does not sound right. 44 foot lbs. for those size bolts is a lot!
    44 inch lbs. is way too little. As if you divide that, by 12 inches is for one foot pound.

    Recheck the torque specifications for those bolts over a gasket. Fel-pro or other gasket cutting companies do, or should have, a recommendation for their materials. Some have a cold-set limit for squeezing upon installation.
    I know these transmissions are used in Toyotas call around and see what kit is offered. They must have specific torque and materials they use.
    You may want to look up what Chevrolet does to keep away leaks since its GM fluid. My '87 Chevy motorhome doesn't leak but I have it serviced every 10,000 but that takes years to happen @9 MPG.
    I have one Volvo with an automatic and have yet to tackle a servicing on it.

    A rubber gasket splitting does not surprise me. There are a billion different types of rubber out there and trans fluid will not like many of them!
    You may also get a sealer made may be the way to go that holds up against Dexron III fluid. Again, if recommended by Fel-Pro's material.

    Phil








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      Transmission pan gasket issue 200

      Hi Phil,
      I removed the tranny fluid pan again today and realized I had destroyed the rubber gasket. I had used gasket sealer and 44 inch pounds and it smashed the gasket to pieces. I went to get another at autozone and the same maker Fel-Pro and same box with same part number had a non-rubber gasket in it...go figure. I installed without gasket maker and only tightened the 14 bolts finger tight using the 10mm socket and an extension without using the the ratchet. Then added the ratchet for about a 1/5 turn on each bolt. Filled her with tranny fluid and she seems to be holding her fluid. I'll report back tomorrow after a drive.








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        Transmission pan gasket issue 200

        Hi,

        I was just curious about what will go on my 1992 and I found this.

        http://www.fme-cat.com/overlays/part-detail.aspx?brandId=FL&pNum=TOS%2018646&partType=Auto%20Trans%20Oil%20Pan%20Gasket

        Is it the same as you have now?

        It also says rubber and shows it to fit many vehicles. From Chevy, Toyota and Volvos.
        There is another page on why not to use old school sealer concoctions on most all the other gasket applications when hyping up how good the new materials are!
        I’m surprised they don’t get more detailed on what should be in the box?
        You don’t know if the part house got a deal on old inventory, a switch-a-roo happened, NOS or what.
        A few years ago there was some SKF counterfeit bearings being made.
        Sometimes it happens that these chain store warehouses compete so tightly they end up in bankruptcy sell offs!

        Shame the packaging or the web pictures do not specifically show what the material should be or the clamping forces required. It would cut down on the errors above.

        There are other pages on the Fel-Pro site how they make a big deal out of using a pressure paper from Fuji Flim.
        http://www.felpro.com/technical/tecblogs/fujifilm-lets-you-see-the-pressure.html

        Guess they just test them and leave us into the blowing wind on simple gaskets.

        Phil








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    Transmission pan gasket issue 200

    best gasket i've used for that looks like its cut from tar paper. cork or rubber always gave me problems. also, the bolt holes have to flat, not higher than the edge. good luck, chuck.








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      Transmission pan gasket issue 200

      Hi PF ~
      I replaced the bad rubber gasket with a "tar paper" gasket and so far so good. Two days and no drip, been years since I've been leaving no trace of fluids. The rubber gasket was unreliable.








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        Hi,

        I wouldn't say it would not work as it really depends on the cross laid network of fibers that paper is made of.
        The tar can be considered as a binder to hold the fibers in alignment during handling. The tar could eventually be broken down my the fluids detergents of which is not a great concern as long as the it cannot travel out of the internal network or allow spaces within the fibers themselves to become channels.

        I was once in a bind for gasket material to contain a leak of R12 refrigerant coming from an canister that held a replaceable desiccant filter on a 25 ton 3 stage compressor unit. It kept several refrigerated walk-in rooms cold. It always has to work or else a lot of food, going be served in three days could make people sick, very shortly.

        In this particular case I had plenty of filters but was short on the cover gaskets. Warehouse numbers were off to generate a reorder request.
        So I still knew what they looked like from previous replacements, so I was desperate, as the leak was not going away no matter how much the bolts were tightened.

        As it turned out that I ended up staring at my solution hanging on a clip board near my desk of the shop.
        It was a paper cover that laid on top of the papers it held.
        It was dark brown and thin but with a cardboard like toughness and with a sheen on its surface.
        It had a raised portion in the center that was an embossed impression for a tag to be placed in it for identifying the clipboard.
        I studied the lay of the surface below the sheen and could see lots of crossed fiber that look like a strand board panel used in the home housing industry in the sheeting of homes.
        That fit the bill of gasket material in my mind but would it contain a gas?
        It's all about holding back molecules!
        I had seen file folders made out of the same material elsewhere in the plant. Mostly used to transport papers as the interoffice secretaries used them. I had to go grovel a tiny bit!

        I took a cheap chance and made about a eight inch circular gasket from it.
        I put it in under the cover and crossed my fingers when I opened the bypass valves. Nothing went whoosh or anything.
        My leak detector made no sounds for the many times that I checked it later.
        The gasket stayed on the unit for at least six years until I retired at 56.

        I'm sure it got changed out after the last 12 years as the whole unit did get replaced. Even though I'm retired now, when I heard they got rid of it, I felt happy, for it was a PITA on cold morning trips to a roof!

        That change from a multi zone monster, to individual room compressors on the roof was a BIG capital outlay but the bigger deal that it was due to the R12 refrigerant was now banned for more than twenty years.
        Our own stockpile was not going to last forever.

        Also, If you had a leak, you wouldn't know it right away until the cooling faltered on the farthest or largest rooms being starved or icing up with frost.
        That big unit had other design issues for the climate it was in. Too cold at night because of a head pressure issue, that caused flowing issues.
        Especially, when pressures staged the system on and the smallest 5 ton compressor had it shut down. Not enough drop long enough to keep it on!
        It acted like low on refrigerant symptoms cycling or maybe not?
        We are talking 200 lbs was a normal charge up with up to a possible 50 lb. loss before you got a hint! That is if you kept it truly full, or is it just a cold morning question. The systems condenser was to big at times. Seldom ran all four fans on hottest days.

        I finally dialed the charge in balance to where I could tell if I lost a little bit or just needed to push it into an override on those cold mornings.
        Sometimes that was easier done with a pencil pushed in on a contactor until a lonely toggle switch found a home in the controller box.
        Doesn't hurt to have a little bit of "Scotty" lurking around somewhere to out wit a half baked electronic controller. (:-)

        Tar paper, hmmm I'll remember it.
        Thanks for the thread!

        Phil











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      Transmission pan gasket issue 200

      Hello Porkface ~ what did you use to flatten down the bolt holes?








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        Transmission pan gasket issue 200

        To answer your question--how to flatten the bolt holes. An assistant to hold the pan helps. Place a ballpeen hammer pointy side down on the anvil section of a vice. Place the pan against the flat side of the hammer--one hole at a time with the pan facing up -- use a second hammer to hammer flat the raised hole. Should just require one or two whacks per hole. -- Dave







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