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How to be certain of fault code diagnosis! 700 1991

Hello To Everyone
My 740 Base showed fault codes 2-3-2 and 3-1-1. Never have O2 sensor replaced, had new speedometer reinstalled 15k ago. Cleaned entire fuel system, throttle valve 4k ago. Reason for cleaning was idle went from sewing machine smooth to a slight roughness, 2mpg reduction also. This car has had so many new part replacements that it was sooooo smooth running...So check engine light comes on and gives me these codes (double-checked and zeroed).
I am leaning towards replacing the O2 sensor as a start and never did this job, but my local parts place will rent me a socket to do so..
Anybody experience this malady before? What can I soak on the sensor threads on CAT to help loosen the sensor? Any tips I could beg off of anyone? Thank you so much! Rattlebone








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    How to be certain of fault code diagnosis! 700 1991

    The missing speedo signal could have been from prior the repair. It does not turn on the CEL.

    There are many reasons for the O2 sensor problem. If it does get replaced, the 7/8 tool from the auto parts place should work. Use some penetrating oil on the base of the sensor and let it soak. The engine can be warm, but I suggest not hot. I let mine soak for 24 hours, a couple of hours is probably good enough.

    The sensor will not want to let go!! But keep after it and it should budge. If it is still hard to turn, more PBBlaster, turn to tighten, then loosen again - just a bit farther than last time. Keep doing this until it starts coming out easily.

    The new O2 sensor comes with a coating of anti-seize, do not touch it. It will thread back in easily.
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      How to be certain of fault code diagnosis! 700 1991

      Klaus what is the CEL? Thanx!








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        How to be certain of fault code diagnosis! 700 1991

        Replacing the O2 Sensor was easy!!! Still a rough idle at cold starting, but damn this car rolls soooo smooth!
        I did a cursory cleaning of the injectors, and ran at 5000 rpm for a fews miles to impose a strict cleaning, and this car really rolls!!! I only obsess about about a change in my idle smoothness...








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      How to be certain of fault code diagnosis! 700 1991

      Thank you Klaus! I got a $77.00 O2 Sensor as I was guessing was the issue. My VOlvo guy then read a code 2-4-1 for an EGR problem. He turned off, reset my check engine light. I am driving it now hoping the O2 Sensor was the issue! That was quite an easy sensor replacement for me!!!!








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    How to be certain of fault code diagnosis! 700 1991

    Here is some additional info from the 700/900 FAQ (good reading):

    https://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/EngineSensors.htm#OxygenSensorLifeandDiagnostics

    https://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/EngineFuelinjection.htm#Oxygen_Sensor_Diagnosis

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    How to be certain of fault code diagnosis! 700 1991

    Hi Rattlebone54,

    You have a Bedix Rex ignition / Regina fuel injection, yes?


    https://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/EngineOBDCodes.htm


    You have two fault codes in the Regina OBD socket 2:
    2-3-2 - Self-adjusting oxygen sensor not operating
    3-1-1 - Signal missing from speedometer

    I guess you checked socket 6, also? I ask as the Rex ignition control unit connects to the same wire that comes from the instrument cluster speedometer.

    2-3-2 Set a voltmeter to check for DC volts at the lowest volt setting above 1 volt DC. Red + positive probe secured to the oxygen sensor terminal that has a the boot to cover it as you see here on my 1990 245 DL wagon:



    The digital multimeter DMM set to check for DC volts should vary wildly between .1 and .9 volts DC whether cold or warm. A weak 02 sensor would not vary much, if at all far from ..5 volts DC or some value. If the DMM does show an enthusiastic oxygen sensor, consider connectivity at fault somehow between the wire harness 02 sensor and the Regina fuel control unit.

    You can also check the two conductor connector at the oxygen sensor to check that the heater in the oxygen sensor receives power. There exist many images I posted in the BrickPix on how to do this.

    As for the missing speedo signal, that originally comes from the speedo sensor in your differential, yet you speedo works, yes, could be, as many report here, yet I do not know directly as I've not work with 700 / 900 instrument clusters are broken solder welds inside the instrument cluster or a failed signal output to the fuel engine control unit (Regina). Check OBD socket six to confirm there is some fault with the speedo out put or connection between.

    Other 700-900 folks will provide you guidance.

    Questions? Hope that halps.

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      How to be certain of fault code diagnosis! 700 1991

      Thanks so much! I don't know squat about using a meter...I did purchase and install a new O2 Sensor, and took it to my Volvo man and he got a code 2-4-1!!! SO he turned off the Check engine light for me and I'm still assessing for when it may(or may not) come back! Thanx so much for your assessment!








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        Code 2-4-1: Fault in EGR system component or flow: Bosch or Rex/Regina 700 1991

        Sorry not to respond sooner. I use my "lemme halps you halps yer RWD Volvo" on the different face-space-bube-toob-book. The charge gets used up. Like writing "how to" novels for brick walls sometimes.

        CEL=CHECK ENGINE indicator light on the dash speedo instrument cluster.

        So far as I know, not having laid hands on a running 740/940 in now a few years, 700/900 normally aspired (not aspried, we tried!), meaning without Turbo, can mean a 740/940 equipped with the Bendix Rex (ignition) / Regina (fuel) engine control system. Unless a non-Turbo, normally aspired, Bosch engine control system on your 1991 740. Unless it is a 1991 Volvo 740 Turbo.

        Look at this iPd article image.





        So, what does the ignition coil look like in your 1991 740?

        If round Bosch ignition, do you have a 1991 740 Turbo? Or no Turbo?

        So, as you have EGR, you or your mechanic clearing fault code 2-4-1 does not mean the EGR fault has cleared. The EGR fault may return. If you do not hear an exhaust leak someplace at the EGR piping unions from the backside of the exhaust manifold to the EGR valve inlet, or the second EGR pipe between the EGR valve out and the second EGR pipe connection at the air intake manifold, you may have a clogged EGR piping. More so the case if you use mineral (not synthetic) oil.

        The two worst possible failures of EGR is:
        - The EGR pipe between the manifold and the EGR valve inlet is rusty and will fail, meaning an a rather noisy exhaust leak.
        - The EGR valve fails and remains stuck open, so constant exhaust is pumped into the air intake manifold.

        All EGR systems should be inspected and correspondingly serviced is fault is found. You to not need to necessarily open of the EGR pipe unions to check for clogs. Easiest at the union at the air intake manifold as combustion gasses condensate from the very end backwards through the EGR valve (causing it to get stuck open, more so, than closed) or anywhere near the EGR valve inlet.

        The other issue may be a faulty EGR temperature sensor at the EGR valve (newer setup) or somewhere along the pipe between the EGR valve output and the air intake manifold connection.

        You can perform a check for OBD codes yourself and save around 90-150$ hourly.

        See:

        https://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/EngineOBDCodes.htm

        Perform "1. Diagnostic Test Mode 1: Fault Code Retrieval"

        Repeat the test if you encounter error codes until no new codes display.



        Whether Bosch or Bendix Rex / Regina, it is socket 2 for fuel system fault codes and socket 6 for ignition.

        Also, fault code 3-1-1 means the Volvo 740 traveling speed is not relayed to the engine control system. The engine control system uses this as measure for load to better refine fuel trim for a traveled speed. With Bosch engine control, like on my 1992 240 GL, engine RPMs may be somewhat higher than idle after coming off the highway until you shut the engine off.

        Your 740 speedo instrument cluster can have issues with cracked solder welds and other things I'd read about. I'd not ever cracked, inspected, or repaired a 700-900 speedo instrument cluster.

        Fault Code 2-3-2, usually socket 2, is a general imbalance between what the engine heats air, fuel, and maybe spark) and what the engine farts out, exhaust gasses at low engine speeds. So, maybe a slight air intake leak is the easy answer at any point downstream of the air mass meter if Bosch / and the air pressure sensor and the air temp sensor if Bendix Rex / Regina. The throttle body gasket also ages and become stiff and loses seal.

        How many miles?

        Or - could be a minor exhaust leak ahead or a larger exhaust leak after the oxygen sensor.

        Yes, as you are in NorCally, near my former Novato, Marin County home, you will want to ensure your EGR system works, lest you use an emissions (smog) inspection service that does not look to closely at check engine lights or at the emissions controls.

        Also, if you do not have Turbo, inside your air filter box is a preheater flap valve that, when working normally, allows a measured amount of air, preheated under the exhaust manifold heat shield. That silver accordion style hose between your exhaust manifold heat shield and the air filter box is the preheated air conduit. These get stuck open on non-turbo 700-900s, will roast your Bosch AMM / MAF or your Bendox Rex / Regina fuel pressure and air temp sensor in time, and may be causing some rough idle.

        You can open yoru air filter box, remove the air filter, and look at the flap valve. Is the flap valve turned hard over to the cold air intake, so only hot air gets in? Yes, it is winter, and it is cooler where you are in NorCally, yet if you've not replaced this in like the last two years or so, than, from a vendor like iPd, FCP Euro, and maybe AutoZone:

        Wahler 70411, the air filter preheat flap valve thermostat:



        At the age of your 740, some causes for rough idle may be:

        - Old ignition wires (run engine at night in dark, see sparks?), old or worn / cracked rotor cap, old ignition rotor under the distributor cap, or old spark plugs or spark plugs that need a gap reset to .28"-.32".

        - brittle air intake port manifold gasket leaks. Or other vacuum leaks downstream of the air mass meter / air pressure / air temp gauges.

        Maybe just once, though 27 years is a bit late, you can check torque on the air intake manifold nuts with a 10 mm hex socket on an extension. I would have done this about 15 years ago or so. The gasket shrinks and gets brittle and loses seal, so checking torque may not be the best thing to do. You can check for vacuum leaks at the fuel injector seals and the air intake port manifold gasket using throttle body cleaner with the red straw and gently spray at the fuel injector seals and the air intake gasket on a cold engine.

        Using a digital multimeter is easy to do and with observance for safety and not causing electrical shorts you can help yourself to diagnose problems should they be electrical.

        My problem with fault diagnosis is that I treat the entire system at once when I buy these cars, so I'm piss poor at step-by-step diagnosis sometimes.

        Anyhoo, check them codes maybe once a eek or twice that to see if any fault code turn back up again in either socket 2 (fuel) or 6 (ignition) and these folks will guide you so you can resolve any issue.

        The EGR problem fault code may return. My bet is the piping is clogged. You or your repair service can correct the issue before the next CA-state emission test.

        Questions?

        Hope that halps.

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          Code 2-4-1: Fault in EGR system component or flow: Bosch or Rex/Regina 700 1991

          Truly grateful kittysgreyvolvo for your very very informative response: I will try to be brief in providing better info as to what I have done to today!
          First of all my volvo runs really well! I did 4500 RPM in second gear to see if there were any subtle RPM issues at such an abusive speed...There were none!
          I did a Techron Complete Fuel System cleaner, and have run mid-grade Chevron gasoline per suggestion from Mechanic #2! He also thought "It may just be something you have to live with! OKAY, got that!
          The issue THIS TIME is merely my perception of a bit of a roughness in my idle, then I started asking here most recently...
          In the past, Mechanic #1 failed to hear the codes I originally had (2015) that stated signal bad TO AMM or TO AMM. They replaced things that were totally unnecessary, and I did not have to pay for all, then asked for someone else to work on vehicle. He bypassed my AMM and has been running ever since this re-routng of wires to where there were not shorting out in the harness. It fixed that issue! So was driving along and then noting a bit of a rougher idle than usual, and either forgot about it, or I have become obsessed a little towards its resolution. SO it brings me to about two months ago when I sought help here after I had a CEL light and codes 2-3-2 and 3-1-1! I couldnt clear the codes so I took it to Mechanic #1 again when he hooked up his code reader and saw 2-4-1. He was able to clear and said my EGR has low flow and I should just junk my car.
          Apologize for such a long intro, but i hope to be concise!
          From mile 155,000 I have had these items replaced through current miles of 175,000...in order of replacement:

          New thermostat, and new airbox thermostat
          New heater core (definitely was leaking)
          Ignition COntrol Unit
          Fuel pump relay/FI system relay
          New engine coolant temp sensor
          Pre-Pump and filter
          Crank Position Sensor
          Used Good Distributor
          New Plug wires/Plugs
          New Ignition Coli
          New Air MAss Meter New Idle Motor
          All grounds under hood removed and cleaned.
          New Timing Belt at 172,000
          Complete fuel system cleaner at 174,000
          New O2 Sensor at 175,000
          New spark plugs.
          Then Mechanic #1 swa code 2-4-1, and cleared it.
          Have driven it for 500 miles, took it to Mechanic #2,who siad what he did...
          You can see so many non-related items were replaced, not to my cost, but have gone to this Volvo shop for all of our Volvos for 25 years and he was frustrated with his own mechanics as I always asked WHY something was done that didn't seem logical to me...
          So in closing: My car starts right up, has a bit of a rougher idle than when it is warmer, but runs like a Thoroughbred Stallion!
          Thank You so much for any other ideas I should pursue.
          It is a Bosch Ignition system and not Bendix!
          Sincerely-Rattlebone!







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