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For Mike66 and his green 1976 245 200

Change Brake Master Without Wheel Bleed:

Rag under master.
Prepare new master bench bleed.
Pull brake light fuse #8 and block pedal.
Disconnect old master.
Plug old master's ports.
Remove pedal block.
Remove old master (17mm with wobble or universal)
Bolt up new master with bleed tubes in place.
Block pedal.
Disconnect bleed tubes.
Connect lines but don't tighten.
Unblock pedal.
Crack each fitting one at a time and allow to drip into rag until steady.
Tighten.
Check pedal and clean for leak checks.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore

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    For Mike66 and his green 1976 245 200

    I used this on my 1990 DL (or a variation of it) but another old salt suggest that before applying the brakes the first time I should spread the pads on all 4 brakes as much as I was comfortable with. His explanation was this would push bubbles stuck in the female to male junction of the flare back into the res.

    Not sure what part worked but the brakes did not need any bleeding.








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      For Mike66 and his green 1976 245 200

      Know exactly what you mean. I did that once, figuring it was only necessary to pull the left front (closest caliper and has both circuits). Trouble is, I rarely have a helper. I had to slip in a worn pad, as I'd just put new ones in, so I only did the outer. Pried the pistons in and then stood up to see what I'd done.

      Didn't see any bubbles breaking the surface but I did see I'd underestimated what volume was behind those two pistons moving 3/8 of an inch, the pretty amber fluid with streaks of brown brimming over the top of the rez. Reminded me of a port-a-pot in need of service.

      Yes, good theory, but I decided it wasn't necessary after that. Hard pedal is the final judgment. If it doesn't happen, then bleed the wheels at risk of broken bleeder. This does not occur with a "well maintained brake system" but then again, neither do master replacements. :)
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      Art Benstein near Baltimore

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        For Mike66 and his green 1976 245 200

        hi arty b- interesting comment about the size of the shyster population. points out the variability of experience generally and specifically with clippers. no doubt much could be attributed to incompetence but certainly a lot is crooks especially with the more complex tech environment today compared to the dark summer of 69. as johnny carson used to say who do you trust but few can remember that show. hard pedal remains the acid test, but not close to the floor. moving the caliper pistons back first is a good idea too. as we said in asbury park- give em hades. thanks tons oldduke








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    For Mike66 and his green 1976 245 200

    hi arty b- that is the exact procedure i have used on dual master cylinder replacements since the first ones in 65 on a variety of models. only difference i do is when i mount the new master with the little bleeder hoses on and quickly make a loose connection of the lines to the ports, i dont rely on it dripping until is streams. that seems to risk air getting in. i have an associate steadily press pedal and hold it to floor while i tighten the port fittings. fluid will first spit out around the port threads expelling any air and then it will stream. may have to loosen the port threads a 2d time and repeat, but it always works. and havent so far had to use f bombs during the job. heres a good one from the shyster file- hustler mechanic said it wont work due to abs system getting aerated. did it this way recently on a 92 volvo 240 and 01 merc. both worked fine. in fact drove merc from se fla to mountains of upper pa. traversing stinking creek md. 2k miles with no problems. hustler btw wanted $400 to do merc master due to alleged advanced tech mysteries of the abs . what think you? as we said in nam and pork chop hill- give em hades. regards oldduke








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      For Mike66 and his green 1976 245 200

      I dunno oldduke. Methinks there is less dirty doing than there is plain old ignorance in the industry. Just a lot of rote learning of inviolable rules limiting the imagination. Even so, it only adds up to a few rotten apples keeping you from picking through the bushel.

      Anyway, the slow drip gives any bubbles the opportunity to rise.
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      Art Benstein near Baltimore

      They say you can do anything in international waters.
      That's why I filled my hot tub with international water.







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