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Front brake shoes won't stay secure. 444-544 1964

Hi All!

With the alignment issue now sorted, I'm faced with a new problem. When taking my first test drive, everything was okay for a block or so and the first time I hit the brakes. The second time I hit the brakes, I started to hear a scraping sound coming from the drum.

I pulled it off to investigate, and found that one of the shoes had jumped up and wasn't sitting secure. Here's a photo:



I put the shoes back down to where they normally would be and patched it all back up, but the exact same thing happened the next time I took it for a spin. After popping the drum off, I can see that the shoes have again "jumped up".

I've never had this happen before, and I'm not sure how to keep this from happening. Maybe replacing the hardware? I welcome any suggestions.

Thanks all!
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    Thanks to everyone that responded! 444-544 1964

    Thanks for the responses all.

    The shoes were, indeed, installed incorrectly. Both leading shoes were on one axle and both trailing shoes were on the other!

    I spent the morning taking everything apart, cleaning, and replacing parts. Fresh shoes and hardware have been installed (correctly, I might add) and everything is now working correctly!

    There are more issues to be sorted, but for now this problem is solved!
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    Front brake shoes won't stay secure. 444-544 1964

    Since it looks like you may be in the brakes a few more times -

    You might use an old NASCAR trick - cover the lining area with a thin layer of chalk -

    Then you can assess how much contact area you have between the shoes and drums. Make sure that the shoes fit the drums.

    Also, be sure to adjust the brakes before you go for a ride even if you have self-adjusters. Self adjusters do not work that well - it takes several abrupt stops in reverse to get any sort of adjustment. Most people do not stop like that!

    Some people have mentioned that the shoes are different - front and rear - and they have put two rears on one side and two fronts on the other. I always mark the shoes as I remove them, and compare new parts with old ones.

    I recently read a restoration story where the owner threw the old parts away before he confirmed that the new parts were correct!








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    Front brake shoes won't stay secure. 444-544 1964

    What Fred said. Drum brakes are self energizing, the lead edge of the front shoe catches on the drum then pushes the rear shoe via the slack adjuster, that's how they produce good performance without a booster. You have way to much grease too, after you clean and pack the bearings with grease, the rest just needs a very thin coat. Use white lithium grease on the brakes themseves too.

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    69 142S Overdrive + 69 164S Manual








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      Front brake shoes won't stay secure. 444-544 1964

      As long as you have good grease seals, it will all stay in the hub.
      just to clarify what B20Paul said, the lithium grease goes where the edge of the shoes contact the back plate.. Helps prevent squeeks when the hoes move. Tom








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        Front brake shoes won't stay secure. 444-544 1964

        Lets put an extra gallon of oil in the engine too!

        They don't have grease seals either, instead the seals are designed to keep water & dirt out and the tin shield on the backing plate gathers excess grease and guides it away from the brakes.
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        69 142S Overdrive + 69 164S Manual








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    Front brake shoes won't stay secure. 444-544 1964

    Looking at the picture, it seems like you have two rear facing shoes on the same side. The front or primary shoe should have lining on the entire shoe. Only the rear facing shoe should have the short lining. Hope this helps. Tom








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      Front brake shoes won't stay secure. 444-544 1964

      FYI, you have it backwards, the front brake shoe is supposed to have the shorter lining, not the rear.
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      Eric
      Hi Performance Automotive Service (formerly OVO or Old Volvos Only)
      Torrance, CA 90502
      hiperformanceautoservice.com or oldvolvosonly.com








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    Front brake shoes won't stay secure. 444-544 1964

    Dylan;

    Just some general comments...if shoe tends to relocate up to that position, there must be more force pulling it that way than should be...meaning the force normally pulling it down might be low/missing (Red)...normally up and down pulling forces should be fairly equal (Green and Blue) so that it tends to stay in the middle area (secured by that clip through the backing plate), and doesn't slip of that little "shelf" at corner (Red circle). I'd have a closer look at the way shape at rear of shoe interfaces with backing plate also...is it wrong or is something missing...?

    Good Hunting!







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