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Stalling problem - getting worse 200 1991

Hi all, having some pretty bad stalling problems with my 240, with none of the usual suspects being the problem. I apologize for the length, but I am going to try and be as specific as possible.

Here is the run-down of what happens, starting when I turn my car on in the morning. I live in Michigan - symptoms are exponentially worse when there is moisture in the air.

- Turn ignition, typically no issues starting
- Drive for about a mile, stop at a 4-way intersection stop. At acceleration, car will sputter a bit, but usually not stall.
-2 miles into commute, car will begin stalling
-Upon restart, it will usually take turning key up to 90 seconds to get the car to turn over.
-Getting the car to start is usually accompanied by the sound of the oil pump being frustrated, a lot of LOUD popping. Typically, after the two mile mark, the car will continue to stall for about three minutes if it is decelerated.
- I usually shift the car into neutral at stop, and then into drive when I am safe to make my turns to allow continued acceleration to hopefully prevent stalling, but usually when the car is shifted into drive, it will automatically sputter and stall.
-Occasional fuel smell, but other than that, no strange smells.

Here's what we've done:
-Replaced the coil
-Replaced MAF sensor
-Cleaned and lubed idle air control
-fuel filter change + cleaned high pressure fuel pump connections
-cleaned throttle body + vacuum ports
-replaced coolant temp sensor
-replaced o2 sensor
-checked harmonic balancer to distributor timing

Where should we look next? Have any of you experienced anything similar?

Also, unsure if this is related at all, but often upon restarting, the SRS light will be illuminated, with power to the center console of the vehicle (stereo, heater fan, etc) not working.








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    Stalling problem - getting worse 200 1991

    Sounds like the hall sensor is going bad. Spray some electronic coolant spray on the sensor next timethe car stalls. If it regains running properly, go with?? changing the sensor out. Another problem I have found on a few stal depairs is the fuel pump relay gets an intermediate
    connections. Check all you related grounding points








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    Stalling problem - getting worse 200 1991

    Two suggestions -

    1 - Look in the 700/900 FAQ - your car shares a lot with those models.

    2 - Take it to a dealer - I have never had to pay for more than one part when any of our 9 Volvo drivers had an issue. Last year my dealer had a special - 1 hour's troubleshooting for free with a written report.








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    Stalling problem - getting worse 200 1991

    We have done all the suggested steps;

    Crank position sensor replaced
    Throttle body cleaned
    Trans fluid was/is fine,
    Ignition amplifier was replaced,
    Fuel pumps appear to be fine.

    The two things that make this tough are:

    1) we can't figure out if its ignition or fuel. We're really starting to wonder if it is an electrical issue

    2) It ONLY happens at first start after sitting in the morning when I leave for work. After about 15 minutes of running, the problem goes away and will not reappear until the next morning. Also, it is humidity based. We live in Michigan where it tends to be a bit moist in the morning. My car will sit for 8-10 hours while at work and start up just fine. This ONLY happens in the morning. It is getting worse. Now, the car stalls for at least ten minutes and will often non want to restart. It pops and shakes and does have a fuel smell.

    Any other suggestions on where to go? We've pretty much replaced all the parts, cleaned, checked and rechecked and nothing has helped.








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      Still stalling? 200 1991

      It keeps stalling?
      My first thought is it might be a bad IAC connection or itself throttle switch or connector.

      Sure seems to have similarities to the other post about starting hard when cold on humid days too!
      But the wires have been changed?

      A far fetch is the ECU is failing if we go back to popping loud but the ICU is hooked at the hip on these.

      There was a post involving the ICU was overheating. A sharp Malaysian mechanic put a small computer fan on it and the problem stopped. He replaced it and it all went away!

      I think Amarin might have posted it or someone over there!

      Phil








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      Stalling problem - getting worse 200 1991

      Replace the cap and rotor with quality Bosch parts, this may be the problem with damp or moist conditions.
      Dan








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    Stalling problem - getting worse 200 1991

    Reseat the connector on the ignition power amplifier stage in front of the battery.

    If that makes no difference, replace the crank position sensor.

    --
    Art Benstein near Baltimore

    Have an awesome day and know that someone has thought about you today...I did.








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    Stalling problem - getting worse 200 1991

    So I am assuming this is an automatic transmission?

    "Looked for possible vacuum leaks, like hoses and PCV system"

    With your eyes or with an unlit propane torch, WD40 or similar sprayed on all the connections?

    I did not see cleaning the throttle body mentioned (but I might have missed it) the second that throttle switch opens, the air all comes through the throttle body and a badly gummed up one will have challenges with the transition.

    Finally, check your transmission fluid (if an automatic). If low, the pump can cavitate at stops, suddenly run in clean fluid, attempt to jerk forward and cavitate again...this rarely causes a full stalling of the motor but it can.

    1991 does not have the under hood 20 amp blade fuse, correct?








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    Stalling problem - getting worse 200 1991

    Additional things:

    Looked for possible vacuum leaks, like hoses and PCV system.
    Fuel injectors are only a few years old and they are new Bosch ones. So if this was the issue it would run bad most of the time.
    Cleaned connections on connectors, and Fuel ECM, and ignition ECM contacts
    Replaced fuel pump relay.
    Checked fuse # 4 that goes through the fuel injection relay that turns on ignition system
    Replaced spark plug wires, and coil wire
    Inspected cap and rotor
    Replaced ignition coil
    Replaced MAF sensor with a used Bosch one.
    Checked Throttle switch adjustment.
    Checked fuel pressure 36 psi with vacuum, 46 psi with out vacuum connected.
    Checked all connections.
    Removed battery ground cable checked for resistance, cleaned both ends and used electrical biting style washer on block.
    Did a compression test several months ago was 155 highest , 145 lowest. If I remember right , I have it written down, I know it was not lower than 145 for sure.
    No signs of exhaust leaks.
    Used CRC connector cleaner than followed up with Pro gold 5.








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      Stalling problem - getting worse 200 1991

      When I owned a 245 my engine temp sensor (NTC ) failed. It started hard, ran rough and smelled overly rich at the exhaust. 'The sensor increases the open pulse time of the injectors allowing for increased fuel on cold start. When mine failed,
      it increased fuel on a full time run.








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      Stalling problem - getting worse 200 1991

      When I owned a 245 my engine temp sensor (NTC ) failed. It started hard, ran rough and smelled overly rich at the exhaust. 'The sensor increases the open pulse time of the injectors allowing for increased fuel on cold start. When mine failed,
      it increased fuel on a full time run.








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      Stalling problem - getting worse 200 1991

      Inspected cap and rotor Rotor may look good replace it, they crack under the resin and you can't see it.

      Narrow it down fuel or spark.








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        Stalling problem - getting worse 200 1991

        ^^

        Very true. Need to measure resistance between button and contact on a rotor to inspect it. The resistors open up. 1000 ohms.

        By the way, the cap and rotor are absolutely the most inexpensive replacement parts these cars need. And given a bit of moisture, you depend an awful lot on good eyeballs to decide correctly that a cap does not need replacement. They are not always this obvious.


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        Art Benstein near Baltimore

        I had no Monet to buy Degas to make the Van Gogh.








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          Error in above post 200 1991

          The rotor resistor is 5000 ohms. I think the tolerance may have been quoted at +/- 1000 ohms.
          --
          Art Benstein near Baltimore

          Haunted French pancakes give me the crêpes.







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