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No Brake LIghts 200 1992

I'm most likely posting an old question so I apologize in advance (the search function kept showing error). The brake lights on my 92 240 are not working. I need to test the brake switch from what I understand. I don't have very good electrical skills, which wire(s) should show voltage if the switch is working properly? Anything else I should check? Thanks in advance!








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    No Brake LIghts 200 1992

    One side on the switch, above the brake pedal, should be hot with 12 volts all the time from the fuse. That way anytime you step on the brakes they will come on. Check the all fuses, for any corrosion, while you are in the panel.

    The wire on other side is to the load, the brake lights.
    That should turn on giving your meter reading with one lead of the meter going to a frame ground as before, if the switch is working.
    You can probe the back of the connector or any place the terminal shows.

    If power is going out from the switch look for a loose ground back at the tail lights.

    This is the other half of the circuitry that can be the most likely thing to fail first.
    This can be at the connector onto the circuit boards. These are funky on sedans.

    Does the third brake light work at all? This is usually spliced in ahead of the lamp assembles and should have its own separate ground wire system.

    Phil








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      No Brake LIghts 200 1992

      Thanks Phil! What if there's no power exiting the switch? Could it be the bulb failure relay? I will double check the grounding @ the tail lights.








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        No Brake LIghts 200 1992

        Hi there,

        Thanks to Arts instant graphics you can see the power goes to the switch first.

        If the switch does not close upon pressure applied no power leaves. The switch is spring load to close by pushing the plunger outwards as the pedal lever goes down away from the switch.

        It also can be mounted on the opposite way on the lever and moves away from a cross brace.
        In either case they cannot not mash the switch as the brake lever cannot have an obstruction for full operational reasons.
        An old switch might do strange things but most of the time this does not happen.

        My answer was given, to help to with your original question and to break you into the basics.


        Now that Art's expertise is getting mixed in, you may need more information from him. He is our resident guru.

        The bulb out relay, I originally thought, used a "shunted circuitry" so it would not carry the total current that makes it operate.
        In another word, it is "tapped" in parallel as to mimic or monitor the sides. Left or right or front to rear, and compare a current balance between them.

        I looked at them as having two windings coiled in two different directions with a third coil winding inside with the warning light is attached.
        Each winding cancels each other with their flow until one side was greater than the other. When out of balance an electric field would transfer power into the third winding causing the warning light to light. I thought no moving parts!

        I have learned differently from Art, because does "in depth" research, He has written they use magnetic reed switches at their cores.

        Those contacts turn on a separate powered circuit.
        Apparently to ground through the bulb powered by the cluster.

        Maybe that circuits windings shorts internally by overheating somehow? The relay wires burns something else to cause taillight failures?
        Or a possible short outside. Like in the trunk or under the seats wiring that causes the overheating.

        We just know that they do fail, out of the blue!

        Lucky me, I have not had one do it. I have a spare or two in a box but I cannot say I have done any DEEP research. (:-) Maybe I will after a melt down!

        My idea might makes sense, to me only but may not create enough power to make the light bright enough.
        I got my idea from the way a solder guns works that powers focused lamps fo light to solder by. A Weller brand pistol type gun.
        By the way they, they quit just as easily!

        I will watch this thread to get diagnosed by Art.
        I am sure I still have a wrong thought in here somewhere!

        ?:-)
        Phil








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          No Brake LIghts 200 1992

          Thanks Phil and Art for the helpful diagram. In turned out to be the break switch needing adjustment once I confirmed it had power. Thanks again!








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        No Brake LIghts 200 1992

        Fine crack in the fuse or the bulb failure warning sensor are the two most common reason for no brake lights. The brake light switch itself is as reliable as it is old.





        If you decide you must get at the switch itself, check this out:
        http://cleanflametrap.com/brakelights.htm


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        Art Benstein near Baltimore

        A boiled egg in the morning is hard to beat.








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          No Brake LIghts 200 1992

          Professional Parts Sweden Brake Light Switch PN 28434691 - Direct Replacement in 240, & Others.

          Professional Parts Sweden used to be ScanTech?

          Made in Taiwan and is about a direct duplicate.

          Images, again ....

          Hope that helps.







          The more numerous FAE brand has a universal stop light switch, and is a pain to install. FAE has a SLS switch that about fits. The FAE design puts a crimp on the switch barrel below the thread. With not much torque you can split the barrel.

          On the ProParts Sweden switch, you need one nut at the base behind the bracket.

          Better to adjust the switch to the brake pedal, unless you need to adjust the brake pedal, also.

          Hope that helps.

          Grumpy Morning Duffed Seeking UnGrumpy Mornings.
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