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M47 Swap Rear Diff question 200

Regarding the well discussed different rear axle ratios between the automatic and manual cars, has anyone ever just changed the ring/pinion setup in their rear differential instead of swapping the whole rear end?

I ask this because the rear end from my donor car is quite rusty and would require a complete overhaul (think all seals, everything brake related etc.) and even then I'm not sure I could get the trailing arms and track rods etc freed up without a fight. The donor was so rotten I just cut thru the various suspension rods and trailing arms when removing the axle from the car.

On the other hand, the rear end on my driveable 240 (1992 245 NA, AW70 currently) is in quite good condition, and wouldn't require nearly any of the above mentioned work aside from some routine maintenance and "while I'm here" replacements. Thoughts?








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    M47 Swap Rear Diff question 200

    While not an "expert" -- I have set up a few Volvo rears -- both with new parts and in the case of my '69 144S I used a later used '73 rear w/4.3 gears--new bearings & seals--and a saved limited slip from a junked 265.
    What you propose is not entirely silly. The differences in gear depth and lash is mostly determined by the differences in the housings---the machined parts should be close to if not perfectly identical. You'll need a housing spreader (try a Jeep guy). Use the shims from your rear on the used gearset and you should be pretty close. Take one set of bearings that you will not be using and grind out the center a bit so they'll slip on and off the shafts easily---that way if you have redo the shim configuration you will not be wearing out the shafts (the bearings are pressed into place--tight). Read a chapter on rebuilding rears with illustrations for interpreting wear patterns with the blue dye. Be patient. -- Dave








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    M47 Swap Rear Diff question 200

    I would keep the automatic rear end. I think you'll find that it will accelerate like a rocket (relatively) and I doubt you will sacrifice a significant amount of mileage. This is a guess.

    I currently have an automatic with a manual 3.31 rear, and acceleration suffers (but of course, mileage is great). If you do the reverse, combining a 3.73 rear with a manual, I expect it will be a lot of fun, and mileage will still improve.

    Too bad you're not in the metro DC area; I'd swap with you.








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      M47 Swap Rear Diff question 200

      That is sounding like the way to go more and more. It will save a ton of work as well. Honestly, since these cars aren't kept for their performance it should be just fine. I f I want to drive fast, I have other cars for that!








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    M47 Swap Rear Diff question 200

    The diff is Dana 30, and I believe there are two different carrier sizes. You can probably get some good advice on what ring + pinion swaps will fit within your existing carrier at an off-road shop, as Jeeps for years used the Dana 30 for the front axle.

    Fuel mileage will be pretty much a wash, IMO. Tire pressure and driving style can easily mask the difference that the axle ratio will make.

    Be aware that if your car has ABS, you need to swap in an ABS-equipped diff if you expect the system to work - ABS cars have a different sensor and tone ring to pick up wheel speed. You'll also need a different speedometer to account for the tone ring sensor speed as well.








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      M47 Swap Rear Diff question 200

      The donor car was a 1991 245 so I don't think that will pose a problem. Or at least to the best of my knowledge it won't! I honestly cannot remember if the car had ABS or not, but I am guessing it did.








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        M47 Swap Rear Diff question 200

        "The donor car was a 1991 245 so I don't think that will pose a problem. "

        Just a note on ABS: The 1991 is the only 240 you cannot be sure of ABS merely by knowing the year.
        --
        Art Benstein near Baltimore

        Don't let people drive you crazy when it is within walking distance.








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          M47 Swap Rear Diff question 200

          This will be your deciding factor. A 91 whether it has ABS or not has a 12 tooth tone ring, which will not work for a 92 car w/ABS or for the speedometer, as 92-up uses a different tone ring.








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    M47 Swap Rear Diff question 200

    Hi,


    The car is certainly drivable with the automatic rear end. I myself would complete the transmission swap first, then worry about the rear end later. If you have a core axle, then you just take your time rebuilding it until it’s convenient. The carrier will only accept ring gears of specific ratios. If you swap the carrier, it’s usually best to check the bearing clearance which can be a pain.

    Without the swap, your car will have better acceleration, but a lower highway top speed / fuel economy sweet spot.


    Goatman








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      M47 Swap Rear Diff question 200

      What would you predict the fuel economy would be without the manual rear end? Currently the car never gets better than 23/24 MPG, and that is almost all highway driving. So, any large scale drop in MPG is going to be a concern, specially when you take into consideration that my commute for work is around 65 miles roundtrip.








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        M47 Swap Rear Diff question 200

        Remember that fuel economy will improve, as you have removed the heavy slushbox and installed a lighter weight gearbox without a torque converter. If you simply drive more slowly, your economy may actually substantially improve.

        I really don’t know much more.


        Goatman







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