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HHO hydrogen fuel injection kit for Volvo 240 200

Hi folks,

Magnum Tuning in the US sell what they call a bespoke hydrogen hypercell HHO system for the 240 to improve fuel efficiency and mileage per gallon. Has anyone fitted such a system to a 240 (preferably the B230F) and could share the experiences please ? I am currently running a UK built Waterboost HHO system on my 1993 wagon at the moment but have not tweaked the sensors yet. At the moment I am not experiencing any fuel economy but the engine has bags more torque, runs a lot sweeter and is probably better on emissions too (cleaner, hotter burn). Need to check soon. Would love to hear from people who have fitted the Magnum system as I'd shift that to the Volvo and put the Waterboost onto a carburettored car where you don't need to lean out the engine through cheating on the sensors. Look forward to hearing from you. Many thanks in advance.

Cheers

Pierre from Switzerland








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HHO hydrogen fuel injection kit for Volvo 240 200

What Manolito, who is familiar with the laws of thermodynamics, is saying is that you do NOT get energy for nothing. The electric current used to split water into H and O2 is not free. You gain nothing as you repay the battery with increasing demand on the engine. Alternator power is not free. Hydrogen by electrolysis is not gaining you a thing. He is correct, it is another form of perpetual motion delusion.
Same principle, as far as I can tell, as the "increase efficiency" of installing an electric fan in front of the engine. But that one still has its supporters.








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I wouldn't knock it.

The alternator is continuously putting out power even though the battery may be fully charged. Rather than introduce another battery to store the extra output, the energy is being stored by splitting the water into H and O. That energy is released when the H and O are recombined during burning. The addition of Brown's gas (HHO) to the combustion process also supposedly allows a leaner burn, thus saving fuel.

Regarding perpetual motion machines:
Have you ever seen a permanent magnet perpetually hold up a piece of iron? An electromagnet gets its power from a battery. So where is the permanent magnet getting its power from?
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1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb but electronic ignition and M46 trans in Brampton, Ont.








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I could be wrong but the alternator is designed to increase its current output triggered by load necessary to charge the battery and run accessories. if no load then it puts out 14.x volts at a nominal current.

With regard to the permanent magnet with a permanent opposing charge holding the iron suspended keep in mind that by definition there is no "work" without motion.








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re the electric fan's efficiency .... 200

re: "...Same principle, as far as I can tell, as the "increase efficiency" of installing an electric fan in front of the engine. But that one still has its supporters...."

I haven't put an electric fan in front of my engine to replace the auxiliary belt driven fan (although I have an auxiliary fan for the A/C in my '93s).

But the reason (or perhaps rationale, at the least) for it's claimed improved efficiency is simply that it isn't driven as much (i.e., as often) as the belt driven OEM setup.

Even with a good fan clutch, there is still some parasitic "drive", as seen by a running, though stone cold, engine (even with the car stationary) having its fan turn. Ideally, it shouldn't begin turning at all until the radiator warms up to (in turn) warm the fan clutch, but I've never heard of a clutch that efficient. Thus, the fan extracts a parasitic drag on the engine at all times, although more when the engine is hot than when it is cool.

Compare that to an electric fan, assuming it has a thermostat linked to the radiator or its intake hose. A stone cold engine can run and demonstrate that the fan is not yet turning, unless the car starts moving through the air so that the fan turns passively as a turbine* (though not as a propeller*), so there is no parasitic drag on the engine until the fan is switched on in order to enhance cooling (usually only when the car is going slow or stopped in traffic).

[ * clarification: at least to me, the word "turbine" implies a device that is caused to turn by a fluid passing through it; a "propeller", in contrast, is a device, driven by some force, that causes a fluid to flow through it.]








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We also are unencumbered by the laws of physics, but we are way past HHO.

Most of us are fitting our hybrid cars with windmills on the roof to charge the battery as we drive down the highway. Perpetual motion machines.

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