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Folks,
The 1992 240 GL I bought in August, 2007 will finally receive a much needed suspension rebuilding. The wee green beastie, with moon roof and M47 II manual tranny, shall receive the following:
Meyle (some pronounce it like Molly) brand parts as follows:
- 2 upper strut mounts (From FCP Groton)
- 2 outer tie rods
- 2 ball joints
- 2 front (smaller control) arm bushings
- 2 rear larger control bushings - (See more about these, below)
- 2 Bilstein Touring Class strut cartridges (bought from from IPD - the beastie has Boge Automatics in the rear, and these are quite stiff making the rear of the wee green beastie feel like a heavy BMW 2002. I've read some serious disappointment in Boge Turbo Gas dampeners purchased in this country for 240 in the last five years, so I went with the Bilstein TC struts and I'm sure they'll fit the ABS strut tube housings UNLIKE Bilstein HDs.)
I also will add:
- Two (a set) of 242 GT reinforcing strut mount plates. (I have two sets and they need rust removal, and some POR-15 to finish. At 60$-120$ to sand blast four of these steel plates, I'll refinish it myself.)
More may be needed like the inner tie rods and what not as disassembly reveals. Else, I'll clean and repack the inner tie rods if they demonstrate more life remains in them.
I had some Meyle parts left over I had for years so I went to Discount Import Parts in Milwaukee, OR (I live in NE Washington State) and went Meyle all the way where normally I'd go Boge for the rubber components.
About the Two rear Meyle Control Arm Bushings ...
The funny thing, the rear control bushings look really small. I'd not replaced a set since June 2001 when I did this on the fabulous, yet awesome 1991 240 I still own.
Meyle uses two unique PNs for two unique 240 rear control arm bushings. Only Volvo factory and Boge also provide a unique left and right 240 rear control arm bushing.
FCP Groton provides one Boge/Sachs part for both left and right.
http://www.fcpgroton.com/product-exec/product_id/6845/nm/1985_1993_Volvo_240_Front_OEM_Control_Arm_Bushing_rear_position_/category_id/186
Anyhoo ....
I'll let you know how it all turns out. Hopefully the Meyle strut mounts won't fail like the APA/URO/Scantech 240 strut mounts. Remember, Volvo factory 240 strut mounts are made by Boge.
Why Meyle, You May Ask?
I'd researched the OES, OEM, and aftermarket. Boge/Sachs, owned by ZF, is factory on 240 rubber suspension bushes front an rear and a Volvo supplier. Meyle is also an OES to Mercedes, Audi/VW/Porshe, BMW, and the like. My research on ZF (Lemförder, ZF, and I forget) is incomplete even though ZF owns Boge/Sachs.
In reading the VW, BMW, and other board (like brickboard for those unforgivable non-Volvo owners), Meyle wins for advocacy and is an equal to Boge for after market.
After some URO/APA/Scantech disasters, and disappointed in aftermarket choices, I figured why not choose Melye this time.
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FYI:
Moog now sells ball joints(K9350,9351) with grease zerks and made in the US for the 240. I just picked up a set for 80 from Amazon. After tearing the boot on 2 new ball joints I wanted to try something different.
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Yeah, I agree. Zirks (zerks?) on ball joints, U-joints, and the like are an improvement since you can repacks with superior, yet compatible, synthetic greases like those from Redline (I think) and Amsoil.
Some of the sealed articulating auto joints sans zerks (zirks) like these may sometimes not use good quality grease. Though in the last 26 years I've come across some sans any lube.
Always verify grease is in there before install!
Happy Mutha's Dayze.
cheers,
Volvo 130 GT.
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There was some law passed by the bastards in the u.s. federal congress and signed into law by some u.s.a. banana republic pezident (pick one, any of them after say, Eisenhower) to the effect of removing the "country of origin" label or indicator on some imported parts as well as food. I'm not sure.
You asked the question. And on closer inspection, I'm sick. I'm just sick and am going to wretch.
The Meyle components I have here are as follows.
- The power steering left and right ball joints are made in Turkey. An improvement over China as Meyle may have a factory in Turkey and Turkey is trying really hard to be a profit-making nation producing some quality as they want to enter the EU.
- The big (rear) A-arm bushes left and right do not indicate manufacturing or origins nation.
- The small front A-arm bushing display plain as day. Made in @&!!!## China. I've had these parts as of about a week and looked at them closely. I guess ego blinded me to this mistake. Please, call me a real &&&### @@*(&^!!!
- Both outer tie rods are made in Turkey.
- These strut mounts with the made in Japan sealed bearings do not indicate origin or manufacturing nation.
All Meyle has "Germany" all over it as part of the trademark and logo.
While it is made in China, if the contract manufacturer practices excellent quality control as part of exhaustive life cycle, it should be of okay quality like how HP manufactures product in China. If not, like Pentair in China, the manufacturer will perform their own "value engineering" to reduce the cost while producing something at variance with what the manufacturing contract agreement with the U.S. or European specifies.
A real problem with Chinese manufacturing.
However, my 1991 240 has URO brand A arm bushes, or at least what was available from FCP Groton in April-May 2001 when I bought and rebuilt that grey wee beastie's front suspension. I do recall something with Moog or TRW on it someplace then. And those rubber bushes are fine so far save for the URO strut mounts I installed in June 2001 on the 1991 240 and replaced with Volvo blue box factory (made by Boge with SKF bearing) in 2008 as sold by the awesome, yet superior Tasca Volvo Parts.
So, Meyle may be URO, MTC, URO in quality but more $$$ with the word "Germany" on the Meyle logo trademark all over the Meyle boxes.
I want made in Europe on my Swedish parts made in either Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - or - made on Gothenborg, Sweden Volvo 240. So, I'm stupid and did not pay close attention.
With that said, I'm install all Meyle parts on the 1992 240 GL save for the Volvo blue box factory Strut Mounts en route via UPS ground as I write this.
Sickening. Made in China. Sickening.
Meanwhile, we all wave our little star spangled banners. For what are U.S. citizens so patriotic? The right to consume and live under a massive debt burden?
Cheers,
kittysgreyvolvo a.k.a Volvo "Buttermilk" MacDuff.
And Volvo remains owned by a Chinese company.
Thet means they get all those patents for the steel, aluminum, and other alloy formulations Volvo AB and Volvo Cars pioneered generations ago. Welp, Chinese metallurgy may finally improve. The Chinese sure produce some seriously rotten steel on export.
Unemployed Technical Writer - the Very Best in N. America I am, I am.
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I've owned only Volvo 240s since 1985.
Currently owned, beloved, operating, and getting better all the time(!):
1990 240 (245) DL (B230, M47 II)
1991 240 (244) (B230, M47 II, Moonroof. Grey Market from Germany)
1992 240 (244) GL (B230, M47 II, L-jet 3.1, Moonroof)
RIP, yet beloved:
1975 244 DL (B20, M40)
1976 242 DL (B21, M46, Moonroof - an SRO?)
1979 245 DL (B21, M46)
1979 242 GT (B21, M46, Moonroof - an SRO? Grey Market from Holland - West Coast Dreams in the 1990s)
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I'm going for the Volvo brand strut mounts PN 1272455.
The Meyle strut mounts present issues; particular with the sealed bearing in the Meyle strut mount. Volvo factory strut mounts use SKF roller bearings.
I bought these Meyle strut mounts in 2008 to replace the crappy, yet failing URO brand strut mounts on my 1991 240 sedan. The URO mounts were failing after 40k miles and nine years.
Why?
It all comes down to the sealed bearing Meyle uses in those strut mounts.
The sealed bearing, a NSK brand sealed bearing PN 6304V, is weeping grease from both sides (top and bottom). Decries logic of "sealed bearings".
By the by, 6304 is a form factor for a sealed bearing. NSK is an innovator of all variety of bearing designs for over a century, research suggests. However, a leaking sealed bearing means it will fail sooner. SKF also makes these bearings in the 6304 form factor. The trailing letter may designate application such as thermal conditions and the like.
The hole through which the strut cartridge piston aligns through the sealed bearing center is not as tall as the SKF roller bearing assembly used in the made by Boge Volvo 240 factory strut mounts (PN 1272455).
The assembly using the Meyle strut mounts may require a washer or two for standoff just prior to installing the big strut cartridge retaining nut. A retaining washer in a strut boot assembly (protects the strut cartridge piston and seals from the environment for longer cartridge life) may take up some length. I'm not sure. The 1992 240 has the factory strut cartridge boots.
However, the Boge brand strut mounts for Volvo may not use the same design. Boge builds strut to Volvo specification - when you buy Volvo factory. I'm not going to buy Boge strut mounts for Volvo 240 as it may not be the same before seeing one. Also, Boge/Sachs builds in Mexico, for some parts, for the North American market. Made in Mexico smacks of Made in China. Some brickboard and turbobricks comments on made in Mexico Boge/Sachs suggest some quality issues.
So, I'm going to buy from Borton or Tasca. I'm in WA-state, so Tasca is like seven business days away via UPS ground. A nearly 20 year owld Volvo 240 GL can wait for proper parts of best quality.
Otherwise, I'm using all other Meyle parts: control arm bushes, outer tie rod, ball joint. I've used these before. The ball joint do not include Zirk fittings, though. These parts all appear as good as Boge in quality.
Hope that helps.
kittysgreyvolvo a.k.a. Volvo "Buttermilk" MacDuff.
Kittys like buttermilk. Yet I have no kitty. Just the Volvo 240s. My family.
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I've owned only Volvo 240s since 1985.
Currently owned, beloved, operating, and getting better all the time(!):
1990 240 (245) DL (B230, M47 II)
1991 240 (244) (B230, M47 II, Moonroof. Grey Market from Germany)
1992 240 (244) GL (B230, M47 II, L-jet 3.1, Moonroof)
RIP, yet beloved:
1975 244 DL (B20, M40)
1976 242 DL (B21, M46, Moonroof - an SRO?)
1979 245 DL (B21, M46)
1979 242 GT (B21, M46, Moonroof - an SRO? Grey Market from Holland)
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I haven't gotten around to doing this, since I don't have a good e-mail address for Geely, the new Chinese owner of Volvo. BUT, I am sure they are keenly aware that people will be suspicious of the quality of new Volvos. One way to reduce that fear is to make older Volvo parts available in high quality format. When someone buys a Scantech, etc. part for old Volvo, the public does not differentiate between new / old car, OEM / uro parts, etc. They just know "they don't make them VOLVO like they used to". So it might well be to their overall advantage to make sure ALL Volvo parts are of the highest quality, so people assume the new vehicles are well made, even if this old part production is no longer a profit center. Perhaps some others can make this point?
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Tasca is only 73@ each, so Tasca it is!
Borton Volvo in Minneapolis wants 140$ for factory 240 strut mounts.
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Hi,
I was interested in what model/year you were purchasing strut mounts for? Last time I checked Tasca the ones for my 90 240 were a little over $100.
I was also interested where were your Meyle parts made? I purchased a set of Meyle sway bar end links and they came in a Meyle box and plastic bag. The plastic bag had a sticker on that said "made in Thailand" if I remember correctly. They didn't look too bad, but a little iffy...only time will tell.
Thanks,
Travis
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There was some law passed by the bastards in the u.s. federal congress and signed into law by some u.s.a. banana republic pezident (pick one, any of them after say, Eisenhower) to the effect of removing the "country of origin" label or indicator on some imported parts as well as food. I'm not sure.
You asked the question. And on closer inspection, I'm sick. I'm just sick and am going to wretch.
The Meyle components I have here are as follows.
- The power steering left and right ball joints are made in Turkey. An improvement over China as Meyle may have a factory in Turkey and Turkey is trying really hard to be a profit-making nation producing some quality as they want to enter the EU.
- The big (rear) A-arm bushes left and right do not indicate manufacturing or origins nation.
- The small front A-arm bushing display plain as day. Made in @&!!!## China. I've had these parts as of about a week and looked at them closely. I guess ego blinded me to this mistake. Please, call me a real &&&### @@*(&^!!!
- Both outer tie rods are made in Turkey.
- These strut mounts with the made in Japan sealed bearings do not indicate origin or manufacturing nation.
All Meyle has "Germany" all over it as part of the trademark and logo.
While it is made in China, if the contract manufacturer practices excellent quality control as part of exhaustive life cycle, it should be of okay quality like how HP manufactures product in China. If not, like Pentair in China, the manufacturer will perform their own "value engineering" to reduce the cost while producing something at variance with what the manufacturing contract agreement with the U.S. or European specifies.
A real problem with Chinese manufacturing.
However, my 1991 240 has URO brand A arm bushes, or at least what was available from FCP Groton in April-May 2001 when I bought and rebuilt that grey wee beastie's front suspension. I do recall something with Moog or TRW on it someplace then. And those rubber bushes are fine so far save for the URO strut mounts I installed in June 2001 on the 1991 240 and replaced with Volvo blue box factory (made by Boge with SKF bearing) in 2008 as sold by the awesome, yet superior Tasca Volvo Parts.
So, Meyle may be URO, MTC, URO in quality but more $$$ with the word "Germany" on the Meyle logo trademark all over the Meyle boxes.
I want made in Europe on my Swedish parts made in either Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada - or - made on Gothenborg, Sweden Volvo 240. So, I'm stupid and did not pay close attention.
With that said, I'm install all Meyle parts on the 1992 240 GL save for the Volvo blue box factory Strut Mounts en route via UPS ground as I write this.
Sickening. Made in China. Sickening.
Meanwhile, we all wave our little star spangled banners. For what are U.S. citizens so patriotic? The right to consume and live under a massive debt burden?
Cheers,
kittysgreyvolvo a.k.a Volvo "Buttermilk" MacDuff.
And Volvo remains owned by a Chinese company.
Thet means they get all those patents for the steel, aluminum, and other alloy formulations Volvo AB and Volvo Cars pioneered generations ago. Welp, Chinese metallurgy may finally improve. The Chinese sure produce some seriously rotten steel on export.
Unemployed Technical Writer - the Very Best in N. America I am, I am.
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I've owned only Volvo 240s since 1985.
Currently owned, beloved, operating, and getting better all the time(!):
1990 240 (245) DL (B230, M47 II)
1991 240 (244) (B230, M47 II, Moonroof. Grey Market from Germany)
1992 240 (244) GL (B230, M47 II, L-jet 3.1, Moonroof)
RIP, yet beloved:
1975 244 DL (B20, M40)
1976 242 DL (B21, M46, Moonroof - an SRO?)
1979 245 DL (B21, M46)
1979 242 GT (B21, M46, Moonroof - an SRO? Grey Market from Holland - West Coast Dreams in the 1990s)
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Hi,
Sorry that I had to be the bad news messenger. Hopefully the quality control on the manufacture of Meyle parts is better than MTC, URO, etc. Only time will tell though. Either way the experiment with these parts can prove to be a benefit to others.
You should definitely post back in the future as to the lifetime of such parts. I will be doing the same on some parts I have bought in the past.
There are a couple other part brands I think that I have bought that have done the same type of thing-print "Germany" on there logo or "German Engineering" and open the box and surprise. I wonder where Lemfoerder parts are made? I never purchased any of their parts so I don't know, but usually their prices are more than Tasca's for OEM.
My question is what will we be left with when Volvo starts phasing out more manufacturing of parts?
I feel your anger though.
Just think of the future-everyone will have cell phones the size of their pinky finger, but the rubber on those aftermarket brand 240 control arm bushings won't last a week. And 240s will be weekend only cars, with used OEM parts costing a weeks wages.
Travis
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Uncle 1990Volvo240!
Thank you for your kind reply.
I have a 1990Volvo240DL estate or wagon.
Welp, with replacement parts, we hope we can make 'em last longer than the ten years or 100,000 moles or miles. I have three 240s now and distribute transport between all three.
And insurance and everything is way cheaper than a single V70 or S60 that is around five years owld. Easier to service and repair.
Lemfoerder is a brand owned by ZF. They allslow own Sachs/Boge
www.zf.com
Like the now, to me, disappointing Meyle, well, just these strut mounts and made in China parts, ZF may build on contract build or by parts from any contractor. If in the Amerigo's (Americas), your Sachs / Boge parts may be made in Mexico. If in Europe, your Sachs / Boge parts may be made in Turkey or in Europa.
Yet Meyle is/was known for two matters - a superior rubber to (textured) metal bonding method and their HD (heavy-duty) suspension components and motor mounts. The HD components use less rubber and heavy metal parts. You get greater durability yet the rubber allows for compliant suspension movement.
ZF made steering racks for Volvo 240; both manual and power.
In Web searching using the terms "ZF" and "Meyle" (no and), passionate debates rage across the motoring enthusiast communities like BMW motorcycles and other import auto forums just like brickboard and turbobricks. I try to glean some sense of outcome in choice of a brand over another like ZF (Lemfoerder, Sachs-Boge, and ?), Meyle, Bilstein-Febi and the like. Though application and quality varies by transport type, make, model, and so forth.
As more 240s die, (usually do to some jerk-dumpy trashy person thinking, "Oh, I own a VOLVO and I can NEGLECT it." Then, "Oh, my Volvo needs real repair, so I must discard it and get a used Kia.") we have fewer and fewer of the originally 1.8 million or so Volvo 240s soled globally. With less demand, parts shall become more scare or a little harder to come buy. I'll guess we have another five or seven years before it is a problem. When FCP Groton, IPD, and parts vendors begin to hang it up on the 240, well, we'll have some difficulty.
I simply don't see, considering what kind of nation China is, that they'll get better with quality. Of course, the U.S. is ever more similar to China with each day in the gubment lording over us while the U.S. citizen sits and consumes without a critical notion.
cheers,
Tomato Juice Drinker.
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While at the con, Sulu beheld the U.S.S. Excelsior; the "Great Experiment"
In awe and wonder, Suly exclaimed, "They say she's got TransWarp Drive!"
Scotty replied, "Yeah, and if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon!"
My 1976 Volvo 240 comes with TransWarp Drive and moon roof!
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"I simply don't see, considering what kind of nation China is, that they'll get better with quality. Of course, the U.S. is ever more similar to China with each day in the gubment lording over us while the U.S. citizen sits and consumes without a critical notion."
I know this is a reply to a message 10 years old, but I must.
I feel your pain.
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Burco, they make a cream for that. Amazon.com will ship it to your door in less than two days time!
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Mandatory almost-Volvo related content: I clicked on Kitt's OP and started to read; I was tipped off that it might be from yesteryear when I saw reference to "FCP Groton". They haven't shipped out of Groton or had a parts counter there for more than a decade. I drive past their old building sometimes. It's now a church.
-Will
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XC60 / Odyssey
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Hiya Uncles Burco and will rehsper,
I've not bought blue box Volvo 240 strut mounts (Volvo PN 1272455) since 2013 or so. 240 strut mounts are all garbage now, I guess. I ask if folks find original Volvo quality with the open to the top round ball bearing race. To date, no.
So this Turbobricks thread I found ans added two. I'm also a KGV there and TurboBricks.
Volvo OEM strut mounts .. early Failure?
http://turbobricks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315522
The result is the Kaplhenke 240 Offset Spherical Strut Mounts @ 185???$ a piece.
Volvo is now China owned yet Sweden appears to be leading on approach, sort of. Not my Volvo any more. Genuine Classic Parts minus 1271455.
The Meyle front an rea control arm bushes appear okay. Got like the last two real Volvo PN 1272455 as you can see in the Turbobricks linked thread.
Where is Uncle Old Duke? Where is Mr. Nabisco and his shredded wheat?
Crabby Grumpy Bastard Daily.
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Beh.
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Good to know I am planning to use Meyle ball joints and tierod ends over Lemförder. Great price too! now I feel a little better.
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Dean 1991 240 wagon
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