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Gentlemen: Due to your overwhelming agument against benefits of keeping the heat box and adjoining flex-hose, I removed, disabled and re-configured all the above. Now, I see the tube leaving the exhaust manifold area very close and pointing to, the exposed rear of the alternator. This is down "pageda" and "bork bork bork" or "anthony 2" or the near-genius near Baltimore who has great philosophical anecdotes, allys. So, do the alternator suffer from the heat and I should fabricate a deflector or is it ok as is? Thanks
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Im not quite sure why you mentioned my name in your post---haha- Im far from an expert. My knowledge of our bricks is more so of a simpleton as certain persons will testify to. IF I had a guess I would guess- but in your case I don’t know what to say-but since you mentioned my name I thought i would at least respond. The ONLY thing I might add is I think excessive heat is an adversary for most any electrical part in our bricks although some heat is needed to make for efficiency such as the engine-just not too much heat. Sorry Im not any real help-but I could recommend an oil or an additive for your engine--but I wont. The snipers are waiting for me to do just that. Hehe. :oÞ~~~ Good luck.
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I only mentioned your name because it did not take me long, as a new-comer, to see who were guys like me....know only enough to be dangerous, those who like to see their name in lights and be part of something, and then guys like you who seem to have a good working knowledge of the beast and who have enough experience/expertise and the willingness to share in a genuine effort to help.
I think that be you.
How was that?
Thanks for reply/help. Ken
P.S. I do find it entertaining when I read the gunfights as I don't think anyone will really get killed. Back and forth is stimulating sometimes.
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I removed the "stove" -- it's really two pieces of sheet metal held together on the manifold by four bolts. Remove the bolts, and you're left with a naked manifold that doesn't direct hot air toward the alternator (it just radiates in all directions :-).
An even better benefit is that now, I can more easily grasp and remove/tighten the oil filter -- it easier to access from above without the stove in the way.
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Great idea....I looked and you are right, the filter is right there to just grab and replace. Thank you.
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Note that the alternator has a fan that pulls air through it at probably something less
than coolant temp. Normally turbulence from under the car sweeps cooler air in there.
(unless you are standing still.)
There has not been a massive rash of alternator failures every summer, even in Yuma and
Death Valley, so I would say that they are adequately designed for normal service.
Now if you have a loose wire and it is arcing, you can develop destructive temps rather quickly.
For example:

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Boy, I see what prompted your comment now that I go back and look at Walrus' picture. I still think I am going to fabricate a deflector just for peace of mind and something to tinker with. Just by the way....I am finished with my grille re-do. I took the badly worn original plastic grille out, had the "chrome" frame filled with epoxy, painted black and clearcoated. Then cut all excprt the two end vertical billets and cut a piece of metal mesh that is normally used to keep kids from "busting out" the screen of a screen door and had it coated in a high-tech bonding agent then clear coated. Assembled, it looks pretty cool and anything but stock. My son wants me to debadge the car but I think that would be irreverent. Maybe if I can figure out how to, I'll post pictures.
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As best I can understand the nut on the threaded end of that arced bolt got loose and arced.
I am pretty sure that external temp had nothing to do with it since it was pretty cool
when that happened and the car came from the Sonoran desert (Yuma, AZ) where temps
routinely top 115° and I have seen soil temps of 145°F.
BTW that also fried the wire from the alternator to the battery.
Everybody said it was a battery problem but it wasn't.
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Yikes, boss!
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Art
Growing up, our family of seven children life always begged the question, "why don't we have anything?". Our sweet mother used to answer that, "we have plenty. We have love, we have Faith but more than anything, we have respect. Restpect for each other and for everyone else.NEVER forget that."
I have never forgotten that, but more, I have always practiced that because I found that depite the lack of formal education, my mother armed us with the basic but necessary things we needed for our journey.
My forwarding the so-called "joke" sent by a co-worker yesterday was not only inexcuseable and not thought-out, it was against all that I beleive. Writing this is to apologize to everyone but also to see in black and white my admission of forsaking myself. More than the time to forward and "click"s thought would have kept me from sending it. Please accept my apology and to Art........"thank you, I needed that."
Ken
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My comment was for Geo., walrus3, for his shocking alternator necropsy photo.
Yikes, boss!
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
Be nice to your kids. They will choose your nursing home one day.
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Art
You still made me re-think my reckless immature action and in a world where we are a little or a lot less innocent and sensitive.................
Euroman
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I agree, Art, and think that I still will do what Brickie suggested and remove it. I actually have had the shield off recently because I sanded,primed and painted it with black engine paint then re-intalled it with Big, fat stainless round-headed bolts. It is purdy. I hate to see it in 5 years, but I'll do it again , I guess. Anyway, thanks for all the intellectual stimulation and humor and the good tech advice, input.
A young Arab boy was walking with his father when he asked, "My father, why do we wear these silly hats on our heads?" He replied, "My son, these are called'chechia" and they protect out head from the hot desert sun".
He then asked, "My father, why do we wear these bulky, odd clothes?" "my son, this is called 'djbellah' and it keeps our body from being too hot from the desert sun".
Last, he asked, "Father, why are we weaing these dorky shoes?" The father said, "Well, my son, these keep us from burning our feet on hot desert sand and are called 'babouches'".
The boy said, "Then tell me, PaPa, why do we live in Detroit, Michigan and still wear all this shit?"
( I sincerely hope no one is offended by this )
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Since the deflector (aka heat stove) outlet faces forward, and the fan plus driving breezes blow backward, I doubt that any slight accumulated heat will ever reach the alternator.
But if you doubt that theory, just remove the 4 bolts and add the deflector to your scrap pile. That's what I did years ago.
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Bruce Young, '93 940-NA (current), 240s (one V8), 140s, 122s, since '63.
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Cute. I been described.
Say, heat isn't craved by many electrical things I know of, but the alternator has a heat sensor built in its regulator, configured to lower the output as temperature rises. This is done because the battery's ideal charge rate and voltage varies higher as it gets colder. But the regulator isn't anywhere near the battery, so it feels the exhaust side of the engine - a 240 problem that doesn't seem to be a show-stopper.
However you bring up a good point about a possible negative effect to removing the preheat stove sheet metal. I hadn't noticed or considered it before -- maybe the alternator is being warmed more without it.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
Dr. Epstein was a renowned physician who earned his undergraduate, graduate,
and medical degrees in his home town and then left for Manhattan where he
quickly rose to the top of his field.
Soon he was invited to deliver a significant paper at a conference,
coincidentally held in his home town. He walked on stage and placed his
papers on the lectern, but they slid off onto the floor. As he bent over to
retrieve them, at precisely the wrong instant, he inadvertently farted. The
microphone amplified his mistake resoundingly through the room and
reverberated it down the hall! He was quite embarrassed but somehow regained
his composure just enough to deliver his paper. He ignored the resounding
applause and raced out the stage door, never to be seen in his home town
again.
Decades later, when his elderly mother was ill, he returned to visit her. He
reserved a hotel room under the name of Clark and arrived under cover of
darkness.
The desk clerk asked him, "Is this your first visit to our city, Mr. Clark?"
Dr. Epstein replied, "Well, young man, no, it isn't. I grew up here and
received my education here, but then I moved away."
Why haven't you visited?" asked the desk clerk.
Actually, I did visit once, many years ago, but an embarrassing thing
happened and since then I've been too ashamed to return."
The clerk consoled him. "Sir, while I don't have your life experience, one
thing I have learned is that often what seems embarrassing to me isn't even
remembered by others. I bet that's true of your incident too."
Dr. Epstein replied, "Son, I doubt that's the case with my incident."
"Was it a long time ago?"
"Yes, many years."
The clerk asked, "Was it before or after the Epstein Fart?"
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OH MY GOD!!!! My boss's boss was walking by my desk when I read the last line and I NEVER really laugh at work, but I lost it. He looked at me like I was nuts, so I FORCED HIM TO READ IT....he laughed harder than me. That is freaking priceless. You know, my recently deceased former FBI agent and aml-practice lawyer was really pretty bright and he always maintained that there is a definite direct correlation between intelligence and humor and I beleive him. Think about people you know who are funny. They are always smart. Now, it isn't always true that intelligent people are smart, though. See, I was right, you are living proof of both waht I said and Gary's theory. P.S. if you are bored out of your mind sometime, google Gary Bengston (my dead b.i.l.) someday it will be on "Cold Case Files" as he was shot TWICE inl the back of his skull and they ruled it SUICIDE. I know he was on a case involving the whole corrupt OLd Boy's club in Danville, Va. A real who-dun-it. Thanks, Art.
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I'm not funny. I just have sig quotes that seemed funny to me, at some point.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
Birthdays are good for you. The more you have, the longer you live.
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Well, your judgment of what is funny is good. I enjoy it every day. Thanks.
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Heat is death to semiconductors. When one designs cicuits and calculates the MTBF of the circuit, the temperature operating conditions are factored into the equation. Every few degrees halfs the life. I am sure that there are mechanical issues as well, but I don't have a background in that.
I'm not sure if a 240 alt has any electrical components, but if so, then any serious heat would affect the life of the alternator.
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I'm not sure if a 240 alt has any electrical components, but if so, then any serious heat would affect the life of the alternator.
Well, the alternator is designed for an automotive environment, so its ability to live in it is fairly well understood by its manufacturer. Still I bet on a 740 alternator, being up top on the intake side (and easier to pull), when I go yarding* for a spare.

*I did get burned on a shiny, aftermarket rebuilt, plucked from a 740. Magpie.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person.
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well, looks like the rectifying bridge is in the alt.
yes, manufacturers do think about the components and their environment. I've designed for automotive, military, and space domains. the math and derating schemes are pretty much all the same... they use mil-std-217e or an ieee equivalent.
But life derating is what it is. Life is a factor of heat. The heat for derating is calculated from the internal heat rise of the part's electrical use as well as env factors. Life also takes into account the % max rating of the part compared to it nominal and peak power use.
derating with accuracy is an art and a guess, so it is very hard to predict any change of life with some additional heat.
If it was me I'd stuff in some simple shield if it was easy. if the alt died pretty quickly, i'd come up with some alternative mounting/heat protection.
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Brickie
I am pretty certain that you said some very accurate things in your reply, however I cannot determine that alone. I have enlisted the aid of my daughter-in-law who is a linguist and has done a repectful amount of interpretation. She will, I hope decipher, your words and let me know whats up. I mean, I do want to know "how do it work?" and you may very well have already told me and I just don't know it yet.
I am joking, of course. You are certainly articulate and knowledgeable to say the least. Thank you.
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Sorry for the rant.
As Art says, maybe your issue won't be electronic failure but mechanical; but I am sure the heat might even exaggerate the mechanical failures Art indicated.
(Although another rant might say that all electrical failures are really mechanical in nature anyway.)
Regardless, as Art pointed out the heat compensating voltage regulator might be the biggest hiccup here. That's more of a immediate question of whether it will work satisfactory at all.
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The regulator is "in" the alt, too. That is the reason adverse effect isn't necessarily limited to component failure - the objective of the additive reliability (parts count) analysis. The regulator contains the temperature compensation.
The life of a 240 alternator is more often determined by the wear at the slip rings or abuse of the front bearing than any electrical component failure, so inasmuch as heat affects the mechanical longevity, we'd never know the difference.
The early 240s had external regulators, and some Volvo model (perhaps a 760??) used a version of internal regulator with external battery temp sensor. Both configurations suffered reliability from the added connector count, which is really the big contributor to failures at the end of the life cycle bathtub curve you're no doubt familiar with.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
Grandchildren are God's reward for not killing your own children.
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