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I am going to look at a 1972 142. Is there anything I should pay particular attention to beside the usual that applies to all 36 year old cars? He told me it has carburetors. Is this the last year for them? Had Volvos in '72 been detuned and have any smog equipment? Was a b20 used that year and if so, what letter is it? I have a b20b in my 544 and am very happy with it. Thanks!
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Bob Graham, NC, 1965 PV544, 1988 240 wagon
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Did you look at the car? What condition was it in and did you buy it? If so, please post some photos. Enjoy your new adventure.
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Thanks for all the replies. I am planning to see it this Sunday, April 20. I will report back.
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Bob Graham, NC, 1965 PV544, 1988 240 wagon
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Just a quick update. I did buy it. I will post a photo at a later time. Somehow I now have three Volvos. Now if I find a 122 I will have a complete set of U.S. 240 and earlier RWD, 4 cylinder cars..........
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Bob Graham, NC, 1965 PV544, 1988 240 wagon
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I did try to upload some photos but I kept meeting with error messages. I will try again. I was at an AACA show in my PV when someone approached me with a 142 that needed a good home. To make a long story short, it arrived at a good home today. The last owner had it for over 20 years. It has a solid SC body with only a small spot or two of rust. The dark green body has been repainted once. The interior is nice. Those cloth seats held up very well. It has a 4 speed. The SU's were replaced with a Weber. It has 187,000 miles. The car has been sitting for many years. It would not start, has a sticking caliper and three flat tires. It came home on a rollback today. It did start for me. All it appears to need is tires, battery, brakes and the usual stuff.
The owners manual does show a b20B and a b20f. My father bought a 1972 142 new and it was fuel injected.
My first question; the car has 165 15 tires on it. These are the same hard to find tires that are on my PV. What size tire can I put on the stock rim? Were they still standard in '72 or did the previous owner choose these?
I am sure other questions will follow as will the photos.
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Bob Graham, NC, 1965 PV544, 1972 142, 1988 240 wagon
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Nice find. '72 140 was my favorite.
I had 195-75x15 on my 144, and the same on my current 145.
Send an e-mail if you need parts, I stripped my '72 when it was no longer roadworthy.
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Tom - '60 544, '68 220S, '70 145S, '86 745T, '06 Mazda MPV
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My 71 142 had 185/65/15's on the stock wheels, you should be able to get 195/60/15's on as well i think the wheel is at least 5" wide.
Sounds like you got a keeper, enjoy.
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I expect one can run 195s on stock rims, but really... you want at least 5.5" rims for those. I think 185/65 is stock for a Toyota Prius, so should be readily available... Both 185/65 and 195/60 are going to be a tad small in overall diameter though.
A '72 should have the squarish hole rims... try to find some late 164 or 1800ES rims.. they look the same, but should be 5.5" wide. Hardish to find though, and be sure to measure, as most of them old cars aren't on their original rims...
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-Matt I ♥ my ♂
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185/65/15's are no problem to find, i have new continental 185/65/15's all seasons on my 67 220. The wagon wheels for the 122's are only 4 1/2" wide. My spare is a 195/60/15 on a wagon wheel so a 140 rim can fit that as well with no problem.
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Congrats, although I must confess that I'm jealous since my very first car was a 1971 142 and I've been wanting another one for some time.
Enjoy!
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Mike F - 1984 244 DL - 265,000 miles
Original engine, transmission, drive train, alternator, starter
Undergoing reconstructive surgery with POR-15
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Oh come on now!!!!!!!!!!!! More info please!!!!
You ain't the only one... I have a 544, a 122 wagon (two actually), a 144, a 145 (two actually), a 1800s, a 1800e, a 245... and my wife drives a 242....
But I want to hear about your new car, dammit!
Congratulations.. .I hope she's a good'n
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-Matt I ♥ my ♂
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Congrats on the 142! Can't wait to see some pics.
Its easy to have a collection get out of hand, right now i have 2 122 wagons, a wrecked 142e and a body for it. Problem is I only have a 1 car garage... Oh well, haha. At least my girl is cool with it.
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Here's something I can be sure of. My first volvo was a 1972 145S.
B20B, Dual HIF6s, old-style dash. M40 gearbox - NOT a remote shifter, 240-style door handles, 120-style external side-view mirrors. Definitely a 1972, and found in Columbia, MO in 1994. Unsure of source prior, but owned by my aunt's boyfriend for quite some time.
Things I had issues with:
1) the alternator failing and being unable to find new brushes (my mechanic made me some custom replacements).
2) Extensive rocker and floorpan rust - especially around the spare wheel-wells (fun if you live on a gravel road)
3) Heater valve failing and leaking.
4) General oil leaks.
5) Seized caliper bleeder nipple & leaking MC reservoir seal.
6) leaking bung on fuel tank.
7) Euro-style non-sealed beam headlights missing with off-the-shelf sealed headlights installed and not secured properly.
8) extraordinarily ugly interior (in my opinion - I really wanted a 240 and this was all I could afford)
9) PERSISTENT issue with exhaust sucking into cabin (probably through rust holes)
10) loose steering box
11) engine vibrated a lot (even with valve adjustment) and *always* dieseled on shutdown
Overall, simple, solid as a rock, and nearly indestructible. Perfect for a 19-year old. (This was 15 years ago).
Nowdays, I could have tackled most of these issues properly, but back then, it became too much. My wife hated riding in it. I gave it to my dad and he killed it somehow. He insisted that it threw a rod, but he probably just busted the timing gear, but I guess I'll never know, she's long gone. Didn't know she was "rare"
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I guess I opened a can of technical worms with my posting regarding carbureted '72's but my only reference has been anecdotal personal experience. I've worked on many '72's with carbs. I never thought of them as an oddity or rare. I did just take a peek at an owners manual printed 8/71. It is definetely for the '72 model (door handles, remote shifter, later style rims, etc). The manual lists the B20B and B20F motors. I find it interesting learning of Repairman Jack's '72 with the long shifter--I guess there can be between models--use up the parts we have, cars. Here's another one for you--a car I sold while working at my dad's used car lot--a '70 144S with automatic, A/C and power steering. I've seen lots of '73/'74 cars with p/s but only that one earlier model. Regarding what to check on an examination--another poster mentioned brakes--and along those lines you could find frozen calipers--and I'd be very wary of yanking up on the parking brake handle lest you find a frozen or binding cable.
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I don't recall my shifter being long - definitely not as long as the one on a 122.
There is something critical about 1971 and 1972 shifters, but you'd have to ask Planetman (Eric) for more info on that.
My short shifter came out a couple times much to my surprise (loose ring - I had been warned). I had to change my clutch once (my first *big* volvo job) and I removed the gearbox and remember that it was much smaller than I thought it would be. I do not recall there being a remove shifter projection, just the big heavy red "loaf."
I could be wrong, I guess. It was 15 years ago.
Keep in mind that there is an OEM volvo piece of bodywork for using a remote shifter. I know the remote was an option, but not necessarily standard.
I got one of those OEM bodywork pieces to use a remote shifter on my 122.
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I also owned a 72' 145 S; dual HIF6's, remote shifter, old style dash. Some cars sold in the US were made in Sweden, some in Belgium.
Mine was made in Belgium.
Jim Blett, from Swedish Car Service, claimed that the Belgian cars were shipped to the non-rust belt states; because they rusted out faster than the Swedish cars did. Mine was sold in Texas originally, and rusted out it's rocker panels after two Michigan winters.
Make sure the blower motor works, because it is a major PAIN IN THE ASS to replace it.
Bill
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I've only seen a few Belgian-assembled 140s, and all of them were badly rusted. One, a 74 wagon, was the worst 140 I've ever seen, and that was at least 20 years ago. My understanding is that at that time Belgian cars did not get the full rustproofing treatment (with the whole-body dunk in the vat) that the Swedish cars did.
There is also the issue of Russian steel. Some 140 body panels were stamped from inferior quality steel made in Russia. This is the reason why you will sometimes find an anomalous rusty panel or two on an otherwise sound car, and perhaps why the rear shock mount reinforcement plates seem to rust so vigorously. I've seen a few 140s (mostly 72-73) where the slightest chip in the paint would cause rust to spread aggressively underneath the surface of the finish, yielding circular lesions of rapidly expanding size. As these are usually found on Belgian cars, I assume they are a result of the unfortunate combination of Russian steel and a lack of full rustproofing at the Belgian plant, so I refer to them as "Belgian Rustflowers" due to their shape and the rapidity with which they burst into bloom.
Eventually, the Belgian problem was solved, as I have had two Belgian assembled 745s, and seen plenty of others, none of which seemed to be any more rust prone than the Swedish cars.
Belgian assembled Saabs of this era are even worse, and sadly, it was the top-of-the-line models that were usually made there. I remember a time when there were still 99 EMSs around, most of them badly rusted, while base model 99Ls, made in Sweden in the same range of years, were usually still near perfect. I had a 77 EMS (in 1986 or so) that was so bad the rear axle was in danger of falling off, though the car was still in fine shape mechanically. The 5th digit of the VIN tells the tale on a pre-81 Saab. If it's a 1 or 2, it's Swedish, if a 7, the car was made in Belgium, and almost certain to be horribly rusty. If it's a 6, the car was built in Finland, and almost as bad as a Belgian.
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Hello,
If in fact this is one of those "rare" 1972 142s with factory original carbs, I would imagine it would be preferred over the 1967-1970 142s. If original from the factory, they should have the desirable HIF6 SU carbs instead of the undesirable Zenith Strombergs (1969-1970). Also, the 1971-1972 cylinder head should help provide more power than earlier models. What I really wonder is whether that vehicle is equipped with a "C" or "D" camshaft. According to R&T, major smog changes didn't occur until 1973. To me, it sounds like a great combination, perhaps an ideal 142 to have.
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Check the brakes. As wonderful as the split system is, it also presents a large number of parts and pieces to maintain. If it has been sitting for any length of time, you may need to replace flex hoses (there are six), calipers, and/or brake booster.
If it has carburetors, and they are stock, they will be SU HIF6's. It would have a b20b if it has carberetors.
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It's a B20B, not particularly detuned, 125 HP (SAE gross) No smog equipment other than a vacuum-retard distributor and a charcoal canister to catch vapors from the gas tank.
72 was the last year for carbs in the US market, also the last year for the small bumpers and old style dash, first year for the 240 door handles.
The automatics are sluggish and not very much fun to drive, but it's easy enough to convert to a stick if you can find the parts.
All in all, a neat car, quite rare nowadays, and well worth having if its not rusted to death.
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72 will be the first year for the 240 style door handles, different bumpers, side mirrors and dash console like a 240 i think. It should have a b20, and maybe an OD (not sure on that one). 142 looks much nicer than the 144 IMHO.
check for rust at the rear of the rockers and rear arches, look hard at where the top rear shock bolts to the body as well as on the inside of the trunk in the same area and spare tire pots. Other spots to look are behind the hood hinges, around the front window and under the battery tray. Check the usual suspects as well, floor pans inside and out etc after all it is a 36 yr old car. If its not to bad and it runs half decent, grab it. Whats he asking? Great car the 142, lots of fun.
Oh, I'm not sure if its the same with the 72 and later but check if the temp and fuel guages work. The voltage stabilzer can go and they don't work, oretty easy to replace if you dig abit.
keep us posted on the outcome, good luck.
C.
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A '72 will have the original style dash with fuse panel cover that includes a clock. It will have a remote shifter and can have either an M40 or M41. It should come with 2 SU's, the later type which incorporates the float chamber. I have those on my '69 but don't like the fact that only the rear carb has a "choke". Start it on choke in cool weather but get it off choke as quickly as possible. The '72 should have tinted glass all around, the 5.5 wheels with the rectangular slots and a cross flow radiator. The bumpers are a carryover--the '73 had revised bumpers.
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Sorry to have to somewhat respectfully disagree...
If it's a '72, US market car, it should be injected. Maybe it's a late '71... titled as a '72.
If that's the case, it would have the earlier door handles and such...
Could be that someone tore out the FI, and stuck carbs on. I've done it many times...
That's fine. But I'd definitely double check the VIN on the title against whats on the car...
There were no carburetted '72 Volvos sold in the US of A as far as I know
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-Matt I ♥ my ♂
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I agree with Matt about the FI. Sounds like a 71 140. If it has external door handles, and carbs, it most likely is a 71
Joel
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Antique Swedish Steel 71 142E color V#102
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As an additon.. I won't say I haven't seen carbed '72 or even '73 cars here in the states, but they turned out to be originally Canadian....
Again, that's fine. Just be sure of what you are looking at... door handles are pretty much a dead givaway. '72 definitely got the old style dash, but the newer pull out door handles. '71 had push button door handles. Bumpers, grilles, chrome.. all the same from '71-'72... though check the badge on the fender... '14* S' or '14*E'
I'm sure it's all good..Different states titled cars differently back then.
but do check the VIN
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Sorry Matt, but I respectfully must disagree.
I had a dark green '72 with carbs on it. I too was of the understanding that all '72's were FI. But, many of the Canadian models were in fact carbed. There were a VERY limited number of '72 carb cars that made it into the US market. I had one. As a 140 nut for many years, I found this interesting. Unfortunately, I sold the car before I realized just how rare it was. VIN checked out good for cards, as well as the year. That's one I should have kept. They're out there ;-)
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hehe... *snap
Maybe I'm wrong.. but I've never seen a US market '72 140s...
I've seen a lot of '72 Volvos.. I've surely not seen them all. But so far, all that have had carbs have been either foreign market, or converted to carbs.
Emmissions.. again, those regulations varied state to state, so it's possible some states allowed carbs. I really don't know.
In any event, like I say.. best to be sure what's being looked at... check VIN, look for other earmarks... differences twixt '71, '72 can be tricky
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They might have been few and far between, but I believe the '72 B20B did exist in US specification. In fact, a 1972 US advertising brochure for the 140 specifically talks about the availability of both engines, in at least 3 different locations of the publication. FWIW, the D-Jet B20F was shown as an extra cost option.
SAE gross horsepower numbers were shown in the brochure as 118 and 125 for the B20B and B20F, respectively. For those in need of calibration, the '73 brochure shows the same US spec B20F (absolutely no changes, AFAIK) with 115 SAE net horsepower.
According to the VLVWorld ID plate web page for the 140, a B20B equipped 140 will have a "3" as the 4th digit of the Type number. If a B20F was originally installed, the 4th digit would be a "6".
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Gary L - 1971 142E ITB racer, 73 1800ES, 02 S60 T5
BlueBrick Racing
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My understanding is that all 72s shipped to West coast ports of entry were Es, and that Ss were only available east of the Mississippi. I have seen a handful of 72 Ss over the years. They do exist, and aren't all that unusual (though any 140 is a rare sight nowadays in the DC area)
To further split hairs, there was a round of minor changes that took place in the middle of the 72 model year. The early cars (which I refer to as 72s) had a plain fake wood dash and no rear shoulder belts in the wagons (not sure about sedans) Later production (which I call 72 1/2) had ugly white lettering describing all the controls, overprinted on the fake wood, and rear shoulder belts in the wagons. How do I know this? I had one of each, light blue wagons, both Es, identical except for those two details.
I suspect that all the 72 Ss were made in the first half of the model year, (which runs from August of the year before, until June, with July off for summer vacation and retooling the plant, so many "72" cars were indeed built in 71) before E production was sufficient for nationwide distribution.
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Hi,
I have a 72 142S which is the carbed setup, the car also came as a 142E which is the injected "option". I believe in 72 it came both ways, (I'm on the east coast if that matters. When I was younger I had a 145S. Both of my 72's the wagon and the 2dr. had the later style door handles. The wagon was an auto, but my current 142 has an M41 and has a small "box" section covering the fuse box area. This section contains a clock, hazard light button,and a rear defroster button as oppsed to the earlier 122 type pull out switches. The dash is wood grained.
CU
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