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Coolant Leak Source 200 1990

My 240 wagon has recently developed a small coolant leak, but I have not been able to pinpoint the source. It seems to be originating from the front of the engine, below the water pump. I kind of doubt it's the water pump shaft seal leaking because it looks like it was replaced with the last cam belt change, the inside of the pulley seems dry, and probing my finger on the underside of the pump revealed no dampness. The top of the pump body is dry and it doesn't look like the seal between the pump and the head is leaking. The steel tube that feeds the heater seems dry too. Perhaps it's the pump-to-block gasket, but I was not able to adequatly evaluate this possibility due to limited manual & visual access. I plan on picking up a pump and gaskets today and disassembling this weekend to find the source. Any other suggestions for possible sources would be appreciated.

Thanks for the help!
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Joe in St Louis








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    Coolant Leak Source 200 1990

    Thanks to all who replied. The leak turned out to be a water pump shaft seal. The coolant was leaking out the weep hole, which was not visable with the pulley in place. Replaced the pump. Very easy repair - probably under an hour to remove & 30 minutes to replace, including clean-up. Hardest part of the job was removing the totally rusted lower hose clamp. Thank goodness for die grinders & cut-off wheels.

    Appreciate the help.

    Joe in St Louis
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    Joe in St Louis








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    Coolant Leak Source 200 1990

    I think you're on the right track. While doing the R&R on the water pump, you might be able to see a little more by taking off the timing belt cover. Check freeze plugs for leaks too. jp








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      Coolant Leak Source 200 1990


      As I understand it,
      you'll have to remove the lower timing belt cover and the engine front cover piece to see those front engine seals - including removing the harmonic balancer and pulley. Doable, but not a quickie job. Essentially, it's a timing belt change job.

      I think you'll want to inspect and verify as well as possible before going after the front seals. If it's a bad enough leak, and if that's where it's from, then you'll just have to do it.

      Another possibility -
      I've seen a water pump leak under it's front pulley "cover". I'm sure that leaks there are caused by bad bearings/seals on the pump shaft. I don't know if you already checked there (stuff in dry paper towel and then check the paper?), but you should check if you didn't already.
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      Sven: '89 245, IPD sways, electric rad. fan conversion, 28+ mpg - auto tranny. 850 mi/week commute. '89 245 #2 (wifemobile). '90 244 (spare, runs).








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    Coolant Leak Source 200 1990


    Possibly the engine front seal?
    You wrote that the water pump shaft seal was replaced with the last timing belt change, was the engine front seal replaced? It's a relatively small "add" to the timing belt job, once access to the belt is clear.

    When mine leaked, I saw green goo on the underside of the timuing belt cover, looking from below. Mine was a slow leak.
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    Sven: '89 245, IPD sways, electric rad. fan conversion, 28+ mpg - auto tranny. 850 mi/week commute. '89 245 #2 (wifemobile). '90 244 (spare, runs).








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      Coolant Leak Source 200 1990

      Yes, it apears to be a fairly new pump assembly vice just a shaft seal. I was not aware that any coolant passageways were sealed by the engine front (crankshaft?) seal - is that what you are refering to?
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      Joe in St Louis








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        Coolant Leak Source 200 1990


        I'm getting a bit beyond my depth on your question. Here's what I have.

        Hopefully someone else with more thorough knowledge will write in on this.

        Yes, I think there must be some coolant passages behind the engine front seals.
        When I told my indy mechanic about the green sludge at underside of timing cover, he said that indicated the engine front seals were leaking. I saw no leaks at the pump itself. This was just before he was scheduled to do a timing belt change, so the seal replacement was a logical addition. I suspect many mechanics would do those seals at the same time regardless, since you would need to do most of the work of a TB change just to get at the seals later when they leak eventually.

        He has no reason to stretch the bill - he's a former indy shop mechanic, now working elsewhere, and rehabs bricks in his driveway for himself and friends, occasionally doing some paid work for me.

        FCP Groton shows a timing belt kit that includes the belt + the 3 seals: crank seal, intermediate shaft seal, and camshaft seal.
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        Sven: '89 245, IPD sways, electric rad. fan conversion, 28+ mpg - auto tranny. 850 mi/week commute. '89 245 #2 (wifemobile). '90 244 (spare, runs).








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          Coolant Leak Source 200 1990

          The 3 front shaft seals (cam,idler,crank) are oil seals. The green sludge probably was antifreeze but not from the 3 seals.

          I've found that the upper pump seal, where the pump is just butted up against the head, has a tendency to seep slightly when the heating system is used.
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          1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb and M46 trans in Brampton, Ont.







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