|
|
|
There's been a lot of commentary recently about the sale of a Flathood on eBay at a very high price. It drew a lot of comments from folks about how outlandish the final price was, and this started me thinking about exactly what is the "right" price for a used car. So I'd like to comment on the concept, "Is there a right price for a used car", and welcome some friendly discussion here.
I'd like to start off by quoting Janey -- his last message in a posting, "The Flathood was sold" earlier today. You're exactly right, Janey: "...the value is exactly the price paid for the item bought at that moment...."
I'll, in turn, throw out some statements for your consideration:
A new car has a established value approximating the Manufacturer's list price (derived from focus groups and product planning), give or take a relatively little bit (viz., consumer demand, rebates, seasonal sales) -- this is based on the fact that the car is of absolutely well-defined condition (i.e., "brand-new"), give or take some factory defects.
In contrast, the value of any used car is hard to pin down.
First, it's of undetermined quality -- it has been used, serviced, care for and abused to an unknown extent -- only some it's condition can ever be determined with any degree of confidence when it's being bought, and only time of ownership will reveal a truer picture of its condition.
Some folks rely on Kelly Blue books or other similar sources like it was a bible, the word of god, and won't budge any higher -- they actually feel insulted if you ask more than the book value regardless of it condition. These people don't realize that a "book value" is NOT meant to be treated as if its figures were "written in stone", but really is simply a report on the average price of similar cars sold during some past period (quarter, six months, etc.) -- it is history, not a proclamation that a car should be worth this amount right now, simply because no book can deal with the value of used cars because their condition can be any of infinite points along a continuum of conditions, ranging from awful to pristine. And being merely a historical record, it can't deal with rapid changes -- if gas prices suddenly hit $5, do you think the current Kelly books would accurately reflect the market value of Ford Excursions?
So what we're really left with is the desire of the purchaser and the greed or ego of the seller. Sometimes these never overlap, and sometimes they do and a sale is made.
Bottom line -- a car is worth whatever the seller is willing to accept and the buyer is willing to pay, especially the latter.
You might comment that a buyer paid too much, but what is really being said is that the car wasn't worth that much to you -- you can't really speak for what the buyer wanted. Maybe a certain color, or a certain detail (e.g., sunroof, etc.) made it worth especially more to the buyer than to you.
So there really is no such thing as a determinite value of a used car.
Okay, what do the rest of you think?
|
|
-
posted by
someone claiming to be Charles
on
Tue Oct 18 21:07 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
|
|
'Henburger' seems to think that we're all envious of him because we don't have $14,000 cash to blow (and blow is definitely the right word here) on a car.
Henburger would simply be wrong if he made this assumption about me. But when I decide to spend money on anything, I look around first and try to figure out just what my money can buy. $14,000 will get one into any number of nice used cars, several years newer and objectively better than a Volvo 240 in many ways (power, handling, braking, fuel consumption, emissions and...dare I say it...even safety).
I could see it if this car enjoyed collector status but it doesn't, and if history is any indication, it probably never will. It is simply another 'old car' to most folks, and even amongst volvo aficionados it is not considered particularly valuable. That's my long winded and somewhat polite way of saying that the car in question is worth $14K only to the individual who purchased it.
So Henburger insults us because he thinks that we are 'poor', but I say that he just threw about $11,000 out the window.
|
|
-
posted by
someone claiming to be HENBURGER
on
Tue Oct 18 17:47 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
|
|
Thanks are due to all who posted their long-winded pseudo-intellectual garbage. I'm sure if you could afford to pay 14,000 in cash for a used car you wouldn't be wasting our time with your poor man's musings and dull posts. Diarrhea of the mouth belongs in the opinions forum; this forum is for the real men who work on their own cars (or just have pertinent technical questions).
Women (Especially Those With Sexual Identity Problems) and Jiffy-Lube patrons: Please Post In The Opinions Forum And Limit Yourself To That Area Of The BB.
Thank You
P.S. Save your reactions to this for yourselves on the OPINIONS FORUM. Rather than check back on this post, I have better things to do.
|
|
-
|
|
|
Check out this recent eBay sale price for a VOlvo - it boggles the mind much more than the Flathood, at least for me:
Item number 4579848147
You are correct. There is no intrinsic price for a used car. It all depends on what people are willing to pay at any point in time. In the case of an auction, the prices that ends up as final is what the second place buyer thought it was worth, it doesn't plumb the depths of the winning bidders desire to have the car. Who would pay $22K for a 40 year old Volvo with 60-something thousand miles (and a repaint)? I don't know, but there are at least two of them out there. And that is what that car was worth. Doesn't mean that another flathood or 122 with even less miles and in even better condition is worth more, we've taken the MOST motivated buyers out of the equation now, presumably.
--
I'm JohnMc, and I approved this message.
|
|
-
|
|
|
Actually, I think that 122 sold on sentiment alone. My guess is that the winner bought it for his/her dad because he had the same one, or he/she lost their virginity in the back seat. If you look at the bid history, the winning bidder bid him or herself up repeatedly to meet the reserve. So that means there was only one person willing to pay that much. There, it was a cross between wanting that car sooooo badly, and the seller putting an unbelievably unrealistic reserve on that car. Contrast it with the 123 GT in similar condition that ended at 14K. From a collector value, that would have been a better investment. Hell, as evidenced in a recent ebay auction, the damn steering wheel alone is apparently worth 600.00! Insane...
I think I'm going to list my 544. I could really use 50,000 dollars :)
Rob
|
|
-
|
|
|
Ah - I didn't look at the bid hostory. I just assumed there were two crazed bidders goiong against each other. Wouldn't have thought that it was one bidder and a seller with a completely (although not in hind-sight!) unrealistic reserve.
--
I'm JohnMc, and I approved this message.
|
|
-
|
|
|
Ha! You're right, I guess it wasn't unrealistic. The seller got REALLY lucky on this one...
Rob
|
|
-
posted by
someone claiming to be janey
on
Tue Oct 18 09:02 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
|
|
but you should capitalize God and not blue book and consider "janey" might be a she not a he.
|
|
-
posted by
someone claiming to be VolVolina
on
Tue Oct 18 10:17 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
|
|
Good for you!
|
|
-
|
|
|
Whether or not one capitalizes the word "GOD" depends on his/her religion. And Janey never specified which sexual title it preferred.
KBB is a corporation, or part of one these days, and names need to be capitalized. Unless you are in an internet chat room, where all punctuation rules, grammer, and spelling are ignored anyway.
Klaus
--
(1975 164, 1995 854T, 1998 V70R)
|
|
-
posted by
someone claiming to be VolVolina
on
Tue Oct 18 10:22 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
|
|
Person, places get capitalized, whether you believe in God or not, it's still proper to capitalize "God"
|
|
-
|
|
|
I thought 'god' was a title, it indicates a deity. Remember the Roman polytheism they had several gods, the christians only have one so it's quite understandable to address him/her/it with his/her/its title. But that does not permit the use of a capital letter.
Religious people capitalise the title god out of respect, so you shouldn't force others to write it capitalised. One can't be expected to respect of fear a character that one does not believe in.
My 2 cents
--
'92 Volvo 240GL 6cyl. Diesel
|
|
-
|
|
|
What's the KBB value on a used god?
It isn't mint by any means, but is pretty good condition. It has been repainted at least once, runs well, reliable, good on gas....
Oh, wait a minute, what was this thread about again?
You have a big job ahead of you folks. Good luck correcting all the spelling, grammar, etc, etc.
|
|
-
posted by
someone claiming to be chandrakumar
on
Wed Oct 19 06:40 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
|
|
From my study of English both the critic and critiqued are not standard.
Initial capitalization is applied to proper nouns, not objects thought highly of by the author. Typing those words on a computer keyboard does not exempt one from standard English, as my professor has chided me for use of chat room speak.
A god would be not capitalized where the God would regardless of your belief in a god or God. Kelly Blue Book would also be capitalized as a proper noun or name just as the Bible should be. But the author should not ascribe proper name status to "manufacturer" "flathood" or "turbo" outside of sales literature, just because he holds these to higher esteem.
Also for this post to be of use further than a piece of toilet paper, remember to wash often above your rear tire openings and flush to the front of the mud guards this winter! Peace.
|
|
|
|
|