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09 S60 2.5T Ck Eng light on but scanner shows no codes stored S60 2009

I have owned and worked on Volvo's since 1981( irst was a 1972 145s 2.0 I bought for $150 not running)
I recently have come across a "new" (to Me) problem
I haven't run into Before when working on these.
My friend Brought his car to me to scan for a check eng Light
I hooked up my snap on scanner to it and did an "all module scan". The only codes that showed up was for TPS sensors. Eng trans UEM Cem Eng Trans, etc.. showed "no codes present". I went to the used Volvo shop I do work for hooked up to his VIDA, but with same result Check Engine Light on with "no codes present" in all systems except for TMPS sensors batteries low ??? we then did updates to the modules via VIDA. and after module updates same thing Ck Eng. light no codes.
The only thing I can think of is a possible open ground in the Dash Head unit.
Has Anyone else out there encountered this problem and if so what did you find.
We also used the professional ( Insurance Company) equivalent to carfax that shows things that carfax doesn't, There were no records of it Being a Flood car. or major accidents, (because it came from Long Island...hurricanes Sandy, Lee Irma,etc...)
Anyhelp on this would be great it's Keeping the car from passing NYS inspection

Thanks in advance Mattharp aka Bentwrench
2011 XC90, 04 s60 stick, 95 940 wagon, 90 740, 67 P1800. and an 04 Audi TT quatro Roadster just to counfuse people that think I'm Volvo only









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    09 S60 2.5T Ck Eng light on but scanner shows no codes stored S60 2009

    I was on a road trip and Just returned. The S60 update is I ran diagnostics and checked all of the parameters of using the DATA portion of my scanner , the only anomaly I found was the duty cycle for the fuel pump didn't vary much. It should change based on load and the fuel pressure reading also had not much change . I replaced the fuel rail pressure sensor/ regulator even though the wasn't any codes related, mostly based on the lack of fuel pump duty cycle percentage data stayed at an almost steady 47%. Even when stabbing the throttle and letting off. The Light has stayed OFF Since. The only complaint The owner has now is that they want an XC90 not a S60. I told them to list it here Matthew's Sweedspeed etc... and see if someone wants to trade an XC90 at 19 mpg for a S60 that gets 28 mpg highway.

    Side note:
    On my drive back east I had to pay $7.14 pr gallon in a remote town In Northern CA, the Cheapest Fuel Was at a truck stop in Iowa. $3.45 pr Gallon. The other Highest prices were Oregon 5.49 Pennsylvania 4.29 and New York 4.19 every place between was 3.89 and under.








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    09 S60 2.5T Ck Eng light on but scanner shows no codes stored S60 2009

    You could remove the bulb for the CEL and hope the testing station doesn't realize it is missing.

    The VIDA tool should have gone through each module.

    Can you trouble shoot the TPS sensors? That bothers me for some reason. I know, they are not related, but...
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      09 S60 2.5T Ck Eng light on but scanner shows no codes stored S60 2009

      KlausC, Unfortunately NY State DMV Inspection procedures require the check engine light to work and can be failed if the light is on while the engine is running. I have unsuccessfully been able to edit my post. The TPS should read TMPS (tire pressure monitoring system). fyi, Cars can't be failed on safety failed for Tire light on, regs listed as "Advise owner" only. My Freinds shop who I am affiliated with for 21 years is a Volvo sales and service specialist. the only other time this has showed up the light would come on if the park brake handle wasn't all the way down. I was hoping for an easy answer for this peculiar problem. so I didn't have to spend Hours tracing the issue.

      I will post what I find To help all the Other Brickboard er's unless someone out there had this issue and knows the answer. in the meantime i will just have to dive in the pool and hope the waters not frozen








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        09 S60 2.5T Ck Eng light on but scanner shows no codes stored S60 2009

        Here Is An Update On the 09 S60 2.5t

        I did Full electrical system test today on this Vehicle. I performed volt drop test on both negative and Positive circuits for Body, Alt, Starter, power supply and interior grounds. Alternator Amperage output test and Starter amp draw.

        To perform a volt drop tests with a multimeter: red lead to where the source is coming from black lead to where its going to. For the starter + Ciruit we connect red to the battery and black to the hot post on the starter. for Negative, -.
        red to the starter housing and black to the battery negative post.
        The starter Volt drop Battery to hot post on the 09 S60 starter circuits was .34 volt while cranking the negative battery term to starter housing was .12v starter . Which is exceptional! and show there are no corroded connections or bad wiring.
        example .1 volts per connection; battery to power distribution center to starter = 4 connections .4v. + .1 volt per 3 ft of wire; (14 feet of total wire) + .466v total acceptable allowance is the sum of .86Volts while cranking the engine.
        for checking The starter solenoid; motor feed side of the starter solenoid add .1 v for the terminal connection .2v for the contact disc inside of the solenoid total sum of .3v is normal target. This vehicle had a reading of.6 volts when measured between the hot post and the starter motor feed post. showing compromised internals
        The Ignition Circuit Reading at the S terminal: Muilti Meter leads; Red to + pos. Batt Post. Black lead to the S terminal. was .3 which is more than acceptable using the same formula. the relay counts for .1 volt in additon to wires and connections.
        The starter Amp draw should be around 125 amps to 150 amps the subject car had a reading of 301amps peak (initial) 270amps steady amps draw.
        the amps reading was way to high the starter was also cranking at a slower RPM
        I replaced the Starter Motor, the new part had a 110 amp draw avg..

        The check Engine light so far has stayed off now. we will see what tomorrow brings.

        For the Alternator circuit the acceptable Volt drop allowable is 10% of the alternator output when the alternator is at full load. EG: a 140 amp Alternator x .10 = 1.4 volts . 1.4 Volts Volt drop is the Maximum allowable volt drop. You Add the sum of the Positve+ and the negative- readings. Multimeter Leads For the alt circuit Volt Drop; Positve circuit:Red to Alt + Positive post, black to positive battery post. Negitive circiut ; Red lead to alternator housing black to the _ Neg Post. Put the fuel pump fuse back in, Start the car, have assistant run the rpms steady just over 1500 rpm. Load the alternator (with a CARBON PILE just load the alt to peak out put very briefly) easiest is to take the reading right after cranking for the starter circuit V/D test, turn on all all lights and accessories to load the system.
        On this S60 the positive reading Was .56 Volts The Negative Reading was .18 for a total volt drop of .74 volts it is equiped with the 160 Amp Alt X10% = 1.6 volts total The Alt Wiring & connections are good since my reading was Just under half of the max allowable. the Voltage output was 14.2 volts, Perfect!
        once you do these test, it goes easier Volt drop test will help from changing parts that are ok and pinpoints the problems

        If the checkeng light stays out my deduction is: the excess starter draw was dropping all systems volts below normal threshholds programmed was the root of the C/E Light No Codes








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          09 S60 2.5T Ck Eng light on but scanner shows no codes stored S60 2009

          For Those out there with 2010 up s 60 we have found 3 vehicles now, with complaints of Starter Motor problems, the Starters were Ok the positive wire/cable from underhood (battery) to the starter hot post had volt drops over 2 volts. after replacing the + cable the readings were .3 or less.








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            09 S60 2.5T Ck Eng light on but scanner shows no codes stored S60 2009

            The check engine Light came back on However it took 3 days to do so this time
            same result when Scanned No codes present
            In generic mode on my Solus scanner The MIL light status reads, On. No pending codes and all readiness monitors Complete. The next thing I will try is cleaning the mass air flow sensor I had a 2004 s60 2.4 that had a miscellaneous unknown readiness monitor with no codes set. the customer Jiffy lube do an oil change (they allways pull the air cleaners to try to sell you a new on They did not install the cover correctly the center lock tab wasn't seated allowing dirty air to pass. I will let you know how that works








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            09 S60 2.5T Ck Eng light on but scanner shows no codes stored S60 2009

            American Bendix starters also have wiring problems. Here is a good solution:


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9WD3SGQT2M&t=0s
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            Amazing work, thank you S60 2009

            The starter draw is not something us mere mortals comprehend. We replace the starter when it fails to function. The last couple of years, I have been shown that the starters get old and balky with age and hard use.

            What I liked was your find on the positive wire to the starter. You not only found the problem but a solution for others to verify. Especially with the start/stop systems that are failing at intersections!








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    09 S60 2.5T Ck Eng light on but scanner shows no codes stored S60 2009

    Have you tried leaving the battery disconnected for a while?








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      09 S60 2.5T Ck Eng light on but scanner shows no codes stored S60 2009

      Chris, yes I did that as well, no change. what I left out was a full description of possibilities of open ground in dash finding ground through the Ck/Eng light or short to power in C/E light in the dash head unit
      Thanks
      the only thing I've heard prior to posting, from another Volvo mechanic besides myself, was the same year s60. The check eng light came on if park brake was one click up . However that is not the case on this Vehicle. I was hoping for an easy answer to save hours of circuit tracing. Anyway thanks for your input. I will be sure to post a solution If I find the cause of this Phenomime, if no one else has run across this
      Thanks

      p.s. i tried to edit post TPS should have been typed TMPS







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