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Hello, Likely very few know me in this section as V70's (an '02 and an '07) have been my cars for over 10 years. I did have a '99 V70 before that.
Wednesday June 6th I went to see a 1996 Volvo 850 estate auto a husband and wife were giving away.
It has 201,000 miles and is in pretty good shape. Having been garaged for 2 years+ it has a musty smell and is dirty. I got it running with a jump.
The engine is the same B5244S in all three V70's I've owned. It has the characteristic ticking atop only a touch louder.
If I take the car I'll throw in 15W-40 to see if quieting results but that is a chore for a later date.
What I must do tomorrow is fill the tires, see if they hold air and check the brakes. I also must see if it goes into gear. After getting it started I simply let it idle. When I touched the gas pedal it died. I had seen enough so I took my leave.
The car is about 100 miles away so I want to cover as may bases as I can. The box of tools, ramps, rags and spray stuff I've assembled is impressive. I anticipate two more trips minimum but I'm not complaining.
If there are any suggestions beyond the usual regarding items to check, please post them.
I assume these '96's have the same PCV breather box as the more modern examples. Also, is there a "flame arrester" on a hose?
Thanks, Georgeandkira
ps George & Nancy are the ones giving the car away-small world.
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I suggest throwing out the flame trap screen and doing a PCV cleaning. Replace old vacuum hoses while your at it. Good year. The 95-97's 850's are the best years!
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Will I buy another Volvo??? We'll see....
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Hello again,
I hesitated to tell you the outcome but the satisfaction of closing out this story outweighs my shame.
On Tuesday, June 12, pouring 5 gallons of fresh fuel into the 850 started my day.
I installed the odd battery the owners had laying around. It had been on a trickle charger for days-as per my instruction-and the engine leapt to life. My gas was enough to extinguish the LOW FUEL light. I let the engine run throughout my "fun morning".
The borrowed "200 PSI" mini-compressor did a fine job raising all 4 tires to 45 psi. I spent the time vacuuming acorns and winding spider webs like cotton candy. I also rubbed silicone spray into the door weatherstrips. I'm so good.
For giggles I removed the 3 right hand screws on the cowl to see if there was an aftermarket frame holding an air filter onto the HVAC port. There was none but there was the expected pile of sticks which I also sucked up.
This is where a small $30 jack comes in handy. I removed the front wheels in turn and found hellacious rust. Banging the rotors and calipers produced piles of rust. Honestly, the rotors looked like the surface of the Moon. I drove the car up and down their long, gravel driveway and afterwards couldn't detect where the pads contacted the rotors. Oddly, the flexible hoses showed no cracks. I was amazed by that. Had they been replaced or had they been made that well? The same goes for the leak-free shocks and struts. No spring was broken.
Unfortunately, the long gravel driveway was no place to stab at the brakes repeatedly. I sure didn't want to rut up a drive shared by three households. Their neighborhood was not too heavy with traffic but I just didn't want to risk meeting the local police by taking the dust covered thing onto a public road.
Perhaps I should've doused the calipers with spray Aerokroil.
The "crank pulley motor mount" was completely torn, crushed and ineffective. The engine and frame banged predictably as I went from D to R. Both front fender liners were shifting about.
Touching most anything was accompanied by a staccato of falling acorns. The open garage I was in filled with the pleasing smell of roasted nuts as the morning progressed.
The shocker was revealed upon opening the oil filler cap as well as pulling the dipstick. The smoke huffed like a train of old. That, coupled with the extreme amount of black, oily mud all over every bit of the engine compartment tempered my mood.
Earlier in their mere 27,000 mile ownership of this car the radiator was replaced. The installer stacked pipe fittings which I hadn't seen before. The lower cooling line was leaking albeit manageably.
I was still so into this car I washed the windshield for real and vacuumed the front interior. The rear of the wagon was filled with an in-law's possessions so I let them be.
Then I estimated the costs and travel times involved. Going with good to OE parts the brakes landed at $220 per corner. Assuming a smooth installation and no brake line leaks the only fear I'd have is parking brake hardware condition (I forgot to try them) and remaining life in the brake booster and master cylinder.
The inoperative A/C would add a lot of expense.
At one point there was CV joint clicking. One of Connecticut's foreign parts sources sells only Volvo branded rebuilt axles-a good thing-and they're $540.
Remember to add adding a car to my insurance policy. It all makes the $21 fee for the temporary transport tag seem like a tip.
The cheerful chattering of some pulley or tensioner reminded me that both accessory belt hardware and timing belt hardware were urgent chores.
A man in Ridgefield, CT-a moderator on volvoforums.com- offered his 850 timing belt tensioner compression tool and a set of carpeted floor mats. Again the pendulum of desire to need gathers energy.
As mentioned above, the PCV system was understandably and expectedly deteriorated. There's no telling which or how badly the seals were punished... no telling how much oil the thing would leak, burn or ooze.
I gifted the couple the small shop vac I brought as it had been given to me by a friend clearing his garage.
Also, there were needs I saw which needed filling so I brought them a few energy efficient lamps and a 2-step ladder. Everything was well received.
With tears in my eyes I declined the car. However, it's in better shape than when I found it. It starts and is drivable. I mailed them a FOR SALE sign with "RUNS written in bold letters beneath the words "'96 850".
They can decide to add their phone number and/or price. I suggested $400. I later emailed them and mentioned donating it to the local vo-tech high school.
You don't know the "mixed hit" my ego took that evening after the 110 mile drive back home....to realize that not being 18 any more has such serious impact....to imagine a fun conclusion to a free car story then to realize spending over $2,000 and many hours on a car which'd sell for only $750 to $1,000 mightn't be so fun.
Had I needed a car myself, I would've gone for it. I can live with no A/C and a missing recirc button.
Thanks for reading. George (& Kira)
ps You people are the best. Owning my 3 V70's wouldn't've been possible without your help and encouragement. In fact, the owners of this 850 actually asked to stay in touch so I could help find them a suitable Volvo in the future. Y'all've educated me.
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Yes, you made the right decision! Besides the expense, at this stage of my life I wouldn't want to get involved in a car that needed so much work either...:)
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You did the right thing. The car needed a 'kid' that wants to play mechanic. My current 95 855T was in almost the same shape when I bought it. New brakes in all 4 corners, two new calipers, and brake lines and the car now stops - it didn't stop when I bought it. I have put close to $1,000 into it and the 850 market continues to slide downward. I am over 70 and no longer want to crawl under the car, nor do I like trying to get out of the most comfortable seat.
I asked for collector plates this year and am waiting for them. The car is now reliable and I could drive it anywhere in North America. But I have an other car, and my wife has her own. I have less and less desire to 'wrench' annually. Let someone else do the oil changes, but it is hard when they charge 2-5 times what it would have cost me.
I had a free 1975 164 once. It was a real learning experience, and I am glad I had it(acorns and twigs galore). Not because I got it running, but what I learned here on the RWD side.
I will probably never buy another Volvo. The new cars are too technically challenging and most difficult to simple engine work. Plus, they depreciate too much. I won't buy an electric car because I don't want to turn a 6 hour road trip into a 10+ hour road trip.
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Keeping it running is better than buying new
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Sounds like fun. A lot of work to make it trustworthy. Don't go thick oil, go thinner and synthetic, the oil passages need to be cleaned and synthetic will do that. Yes, the PCV on the N/A engine has a flame trap near the throttle body and it does get dirty.
Next time you start the engine, let the engine warm up to 'normal' on the gauge. Then 'ease' on the throttle. I guess there is a lot of dirt in the throttle body and probably a few cracked vacuum hoses. Bring a scan tool with you, this is an OBDII system with a port by the ashtray.
The tires will have flat spots, so don't go 70mph anytime soon. The cabin air filter, if it has one, will help eliminate the musty smell. Look for mouse nests!
My estimate for roadworthyness is about $1,000. Don't fret about any EVAP codes, you will get some. The gasoline may be 'old', but don't drain it, just fill the tank with regular.
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Keeping it running is better than buying new
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Sounds like a great opportunity - please keep up posted!
Interested in your comment about use of 15W-40 to quiet top end clicking on B5244S motors. Our 2000 V70 with same engine/250K miles has that noise; and I've always followed the 10W-30 owners manual recommendation for driving in moderate climate/no real temperature extremes. Worth a try?!
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Some other options to help get rid of the ticking valve noise which often happens to these cars when they sit or are just driven around town and the engine never gets really hot from highway driving for at least 20 minutes:
1. Do an Italian tune up. Warm up the engine. Then go out on a divided highway and rev the engine to 3500-4000 rpm and hold it there for at least 5 minutes. Good first choice option...:)
2. Try using synthetic oil if you aren't already.
3. I have had the ticking noise in both my 93 and 95 850's. Happened both times when the cars sat for awhile. The 93 sat for a long time with a bad tranny. Couldn't get rid of the noise. Finally resorted to changing the oil and adding Marvel Mystery Oil to the new oil. Ran it for about 500 miles, changed the oil, and amazingly that actually did the trick!
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Will I buy another Volvo??? We'll see....
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