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2000 V70 Timing Belt Replacement V70-XC70

Happy New Year All!
The wife's 2000 V70 seems to have jumped its timing when cranking it a few days ago. It has 137K and we bought it with 120K and no records. Any way I'm glad it was at the house when it died. I have the parts coming but I've never done a timing belt on a car with what looks like variable intake cam timing. This one is a bit different than the 93 850 I had. Any suggestions on how to be sure I get everything lined back up with reference to the timing marks? Is the variable intake cam going to be a problem?
Thanks
John








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    2000 V70 Timing Belt Replacement V70-XC70

    More thoughts:

    Since the original Tbelt was swapped at about 100K, we hope, just try aligning the timing marks and see if they are true. There have been a scattering of reports on other boards of the VVT module dying and producing an erroneous message.

    Or it is just the tensioner that failed, allowing the belt to slip a tooth, which seems kind of far fetched. Check the tension by pushing on the belt.

    If your wife started the car after getting the message, and it ran, you are in good shape as far as the engine goes.

    Check the timing marks before you do anything.

    Klaus
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    Volvoless. Sold the R. There is now a void...








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    2000 V70 Timing Belt Replacement V70-XC70

    Changing the Tbelt with VVT has only one extra procedure than the 1998 and earlier volvos. After bring the engine to TDC with the cams and crank on the marks, continue to rotate the engine 90 degrees and then rotate it back to TDC. That takes the pressure off the cams and they will be less likely to rotate when the belt is off.
    You know that the tensioner also needs to be replaced. Your car has a manual tensioner, find out how to adjust it correctly before you get started. The old tensioner probably created the problem to begin with.

    Klaus
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    Volvoless. Sold the R. There is now a void...








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      2000 V70 Timing Belt Replacement V70-XC70

      I got a chance to start tearing into it today. I found the marks on the cam sprockets and was able to line them up with two notches on the inner lip of the plastic timing cam cover that bolts to the top of the engine. They basically line straight up (in relation to the engine's slight rearward tip). Assuming this is correct, I rotated the engine several times watching the cam marks. I used a screwdriver to determine piston #1 TDC. Every time the cam marks came to the top the screwdriver indicated the piston to be near bottom. My next question is where are the crank pulley marks and what are they supposed to line up with on the engine. My 850 manual isn't much help here so thanks for all the help!

      I ordered the OEM belt kit from IPD which includes the manual tensioner & idler pulley for my engine. I also paid for the three day shipping which meant it should have arrived today despite the holiday yesterday. Guess what, it didn't! :(

      JR








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        2000 V70 Timing Belt Replacement V70-XC70

        These are better pics:

        http://volvospeed.com/Repair/timingbelt2.php

        The crank is very hard to see. The crank position determines TDC, not the cams.

        I have a hard time believing the belt is off by a tooth, that would be MOST unusual.

        Klaus
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        Volvoless. Sold the R. There is now a void...








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          2000 V70 Timing Belt Replacement V70-XC70

          Klaus, I agree the crank location, specifically #1 piston location, determines TDC. It's just that when my screwdriver indicates #1 TDC, the cam marks don't line up with the two notches on the plastic cover. In rotated the crank several times yesterday to verify. I hope to get a chance to look into it deeper tomorrow. I need to also verify the crank/engine marks. Stay tuned!
          Thanks
          John








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            2000 V70 Timing Belt Replacement V70-XC70

            #1 plug is the one closest to the Tbelt, right? The crank has to go around 4 times for a piston to go from TDC to TDC when the valves are closed.
            Take your time and use a bright flashlight. Mark the cams so you can easily see the marks when you turn the crank. You shouldn't be off more than one tooth. And don't forget to go past TDC 90 degrees and back up to TDC before removing the belt.
            Be glad you don't live in MN, we are supposed to go to 0F by the morning and -10F Monday morning. To cold to work on anything.

            Klaus
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            Volvoless. Sold the R. There is now a void...








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              Crank goes around 2 times.. V70-XC70

              to complete a cycle - tdc, exhaust, tdc with both valves closed.

              Use white-out or black majic marker to enhance cam position markers.

              I still wonder if the cam position sensor went bad, seeing as how the car was running when the message appeared.

              Klaus

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                Crank goes around 2 times.. V70-XC70

                Klaus,
                I had a few minutes to spin this thing around this afternoon before my kids insisted I drop what I was doing and change furniture around in their bedrooms...
                Anyway, using my trusty TDC indicator (long shaft screwdriver in the spark plug hole closest to the belt) I hand spun to TDC and observed the two cam marks basicaly turn towards the 3 o'clock postion. The next full spin to TDC left them facing the 9 o'clock position. I've painted the notches on the cam sprockets with white paint. I still can't be sure of any timing marks on the crank pulley but did locate a raised notch on the inside of the pulley between it and the belt teeth. With #1 at TDC the notch was basically at 6 o'clock but doesn't appear to match up with a corresponding mark on the engine. I figured it really doesn't matter if I'm at TDC according to my screwdriver anyway. There appears to be no damage to the valve train as far as I can tell.
                I also thought about the crank position sensor. I was cold starting the engine when it fired about 2 seconds and died. It then cranked over as if all the spark plugs had been removed. I never got the check engine light. I have not checked for a code though.
                It reminded me a lot of my teenage years with my buddy's '71 Pinto which jumped timing belts about once a year! Like I told the wife I'm glad it did whatever it did in the garage rather than 200 miles from home. BTW it's a bit warmer here in NE Georgia but we haven't seen the sun in about 10 days it's been either rainy, drizzly, or foggy.
                I also ordered the timing belt DVD from IPD. Hope it helps clear up my questions on the marks & reference points. Thanks for all your help!

                John








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                  Crank goes around 2 times.. V70-XC70

                  Klaus,
                  SUCCESS! I managed to finish it up today. It fired right up. Seems a hair smoother at idle. The one puzzling thing for me is I'm still not 100% sure it jumped timing. The marks were very close if not right on before I took the old belt off. If it jumped it must have only jumped one tooth or maybe with 137K it had some stretch. Anyway here's a link to a website that had the correct illustrations of the marks for my engine even though mine is not and XC or turbo.

                  http://www.volvoxc.com/resources/how-to/pdf/timing-belt-replacement2.pdf

                  Thanks for all the help!
                  JR








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                    Crank goes around 2 times.. V70-XC70

                    I still think the CPS might have shorted out for a bit. But it is running. The belt and tensioner are supposed to be good for 105K miles, same for the rollers. Time to start putting some miles on the car...


                    Klaus
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                    Volvoless. Sold the R. There is now a void...








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                      Crank goes around 2 times.. V70-XC70

                      If it is the CPS or something else electronic, I just hope it doesn't leave us stranded! We were fortunate that it died in the garage this time.....

                      JR








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      2000 V70 Timing Belt Replacement V70-XC70

      With having the belt already off, or slipped, I think the procedure might have to be modified a bit. Klaus has way more experience than I do, so I'll toss out some concerns and perhaps Klaus can help out or tell me I'm off base!

      If the belt is on, but slipped to the point you got an engine code, but the engine still ran, then this is the best situation, and we know there was no engine damage.

      If the belt came off entirely, then I believe you'll have to attach it to get the cams and crank back into alignment. DO NOT START THE CAR. This will all need to be done by hand since it is an interference engine. At this point you will need to ask yourself a very difficult question: Did damage occur to the engine when the belt slipped? If there was damage, then replacing the belt won't help. I do not know enough to help you determine if the engine was damaged. Perhaps Klaus can?

      1) Rotate the crank clockwise until the exhaust timing mark is in alignment, then rotate 90 degrees further, then come back to get the exhaust cam into alignment. Since the exhaust cam has the VVT I would think this is the more important of the settings and should be done 1st.

      2) If the intake cam is not aligned when the exhaust is after step 1, disconnect the belt at this point and move the intake cam by hand to get the intake aligned. It does not have VVT and is less sensitive. Generally I recommend counting the number of teeth in the belt between alignment marks on the cams, so you set the new one back the same. However, since there was slippage, the initial amount of teeth between may not be correct now, but if the belt feels firm between the cams, then this might be a good number.

      3) Obviously the crank will also need to be aligned by hand at this point. Its alignment mark is VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE, and you might need to pull the number 1 spark plug and watch the piston to find TDC. On a different engine, I put a small rod through the plug hole and attached a dial indictor to it to find the exact TDC. However, if you can get it close, you’ll at least be able to concentrate on finding the mark on the crank gear to get perfect alignment. Once you do find alignment, I recommend using a grease pencil or similar to mark the gear to verify it does not move during belt installation.

      Hopefully now all is set to put on the new belt and as Klaus mentioned the NEW tensioner. Check the idler pulley for wear, and replace if needed. I think the common wisdom on this is to do it every other belt replacement.

      Hope this helps,
      Jerry
      01 V70 T5a







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