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I have long admired Volvo Vehicles for years and purchased one several years ago. It was an S70 and a complete nightmare. From the Volvo I bought a new Accord (out of shock) and eventually got tired of the tin can feel and went again onto the other side of the spectrum with an older Diesel S Class Mercedes. I have been looking at 780 Bertone Coupes for a little bit and I am wondering what kind of things to watch out for on them and how generally reliable they are. While I don't expect it to be more reliable than my Diesel Benz I am wondering what kind of problems to expect. I have also heard through the grape vine that Volvo parts are very expensive and even more expensive than Mercedes Benz parts in some cases.

Thoughts Comments?

Robert Chase








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    I own 4 780s, 3 turbo, 1 v-6, all are great period. Performance wise the 90/91 turbo+ are the most sought after having the highest output of all 4 cyl. red block turbos in the USA.

    I took a 90 780 turbo, an AW72L from a 16 valve 700 series, and 3.31:1 ratio rear well past 140mph mark. This AW72L w/2.83:1 1st gear and 3.31:1 rear combo still has a lower 1st gear to rear ratio than it did stock with the 3.73:1 rear and the AW71 1st gear ratio of 2.45:1. Gets 27+ mpg highway @ 70mph.

    Front spoilers are a pain the the rear.

    The turbo versions like a 3" free flow exhaust system, has to be custom made.

    Overall I will say the 780 is easy to care for and trouble free if it was properly taken care of by its previous owner/owners.

    Owned a Benz turbo diesel too, it was great.








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    Mechanically, a 780 is identical to a 760 or 760Turbo. Maintenance parts are therefore dirt cheap. (With the exception of Nivomat rear shocks.)

    It was available with the PRV-V6 and the B230FT turbo four. It was only available in automatic.

    Body panels/lights/plastic parts/interior are all unique to the 780 and therefore ungodly expensive or just plain not available new. (Taillight = $600?)

    They're very reliable, as reliable as any RWD Volvo. When shopping, look out for broken interior trim, broken headlights/taillights/turnsignals outside, look to see if the chin spoiler is intact, and check to see if all the doo-dads like trunk poppers (there's two), power seats/mirror/sunroof all work...

    -Paul Demeo
    1990 780T (not quite stock)










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      Ah you get the italian design and the italian price tag on the specialized parts :)

      My usual philosopy in car buying is to buy a good looking car and then spend your time giving it a mechanical enema. I have been pleasantly suprised at the abundance of interior parts for my Mercedes at dirt cheap prices. One can generally always get mechanical components new and used but sometime interior tidbits are hard to come by on certain cars.

      Ill take a look and see if I can find one to drive. I read that the 780 is heavier feeling which is a good thing because I have always found Volvos to be "flexy bendy" feeling in comparision to the "tank like" feel of a Mercedes Body.

      Thanks for the helpful info!

      Robert Chase








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      I own a 945T with the B230FT. A friend had a 780 with the PVR 6 cyl. If I had the choice, I'd take the turbo 4 over the 6. The 6 didn't seem like anything to write home about, and might be a little harder to find parts for.

      Steve C








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        I read on a website that the 6 has a nasty habit of getting plugged up with oil residues and slowly wearing out on the inside. Considering the model I would look at has to pass emissions tests for quite some time in my state I would probably opt for the 4cylender because of longevity.








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          780 info and PRV-6 longevity. 700

          The 1st and 2nd generation PRV-6 engines did have the problem that you mentioned (plugged oil passegeways to the camshaft and thus caused the engine to self-destruct). However, the 3rd generation of these engines solved this problem and are very well built. The only 780s that came with the bad engines were the first year only 1986, but none of these were sent to the USA (Europe only for first year).

          B27 is the 1st generation
          B28 is the 2nd generation (ended production in '86)
          B280 is the 3rd generation (built from '87 to '90)

          I have a pair of 780s, one with the B280F (PRV-6), and the other with the B230FT (turbo-4). The 4-cylinder engine is easier to work on and has a higher peak-horsepower, but the 6-cylinder engine has better low end torque.

          The car itself rides smooth and level. When compared to the 760 GLE sedans, it sits a bit lower to the ground and the body is significantly stiffer (overall vehicle weight is heavier than both the 760 sedans and wagons). The 780 is designed as a Touring car and should not be confused with a race car or high-performance car. If you enjoy taking long relaxing drives, then this car is for you. Do not buy it if you prefer racing the High-Schoolers at the stop lights.

          Air Dams are easily damaged or destroied due to their design and how close they sit to the ground (one parking lot barrier will kill it, but they clear speed bumps decently). I know someone who just recently had his Air Dam replaced on his '91 780 and had it painted to match for about $3,200. Sheet metal, lights, and some interior parts are custom to the 780, and are somewhat rare since only about 12,000 vehicles were built worldwide (about 6,000 were sent to the USA). If you consider owning one of these cars for awhile, consider also buying a wrecked one just to have parts on hand if you get in a fender-bender. I know of a Doctor in Florida who owns six 780s. Three of them are driveable, and the other three are parts vehicles.

          The hand stitched Italian leather seats are the most comfortable I've ever sat in, but the leather is softer than typical Volvo leather and they are prone to splitting if not cared for (regular leather treatments). You can re-cover the front seats with donor upholstry from a 760, but you must reuse the original seats to retain the function of the folding seat to allow access to the rear seat (the 780 is a 2-door coupe for those not familiar with it).

          If you haven't already read the following website, it gives a good overview of the history of the 780 and the changes from year to year:

          http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/6570/about.html

          God bless,
          Fitz Fitzgerald.
          --
          '87 245 Blue Wagon, 227K
          '88 780 Black, PRV-6, 144K
          '89 780 Black, Turbo-4, 94K








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            Hello 780 gang!

            I have recently aquired a 91 780. I am enjoying it almost as much as my 93 940 turbo. I agree with the others that mechanical parts are easily and reasonably available. The body parts are available too...but are very expensive. I like the idea of having a parts car or two. If you find one, latch on to it and let the rest of us know.

            The link Fitz put in his post is a good one but when I tried it, a page opened without the navigation frame. Try this one instead

            http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/6570/

            There is an excellent page on buyer' tips that you definately want to read before buying your first. Unfortuantely, Eric is not keeping this site up. I do wish he would turn it over to someone else because this is a great site that I would hate to see disappear. Accordning to the site, 9,215 780's were built with 5695 coming to the US. I have seen other figures but they were actually lower.

            I do need some help if anyone can. How can the wood trim be removed from the dash? Is it necessary to pull the dash? If so, how is that done? On most of these, the varnish on the wood trim is cracked and yellowed. I am refinishing the door trim and it looks great! The dash is the worst though. I appreciate any help you can give.

            Blessings!
            Patrick

            1991 780 - ser # 011750 (only 79 made after this one)
            1993 940 Turbo
            1998 V70








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              Ok, remove the instrument cluster, the panel under the steering wheel, the glove compartment and the ECC controls. Then you can remove the small 8 mm (?) nuts that hold the wood trim to the dash. That's it!
              I fixed the small left part on my '88 780, the big one is still ok and the door trims look like new.
              Good luck with your new car!







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