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Did anyone on the Brickboard list bid/buy the 1953 PV 444 that was listed on Ebay last month. The Maine car generated some interest for all you East Coasters (heck, it generated interest across the states) and I'm wondering who finally bought it. Progress reports and assesments?
---Aiden
1957 PV444
1966 122 wagon
Boulder, CO
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Yes, and I know who it is, heh,heh,heh!!! But I'll let the new owner blow his own horn, or not, if he prefers to remain incognito. I believe the car has found a good home :-)
Bob S.
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Good to hear the car found a good home... the new owner should not be incongnito though... If he needs help, advice, or emotional support, this is the best place to find it...
Wish him luck for me!
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-Matt I ♥ my ♂
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I wanted to bid on that. SUch a nifty and very unusual old Volvo. But I figured I didn't need to bastardize such a rare one with my hot-rodding.
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I'm JohnMc, and I approved this message.
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OK, time to come out of the closet!
I'm the new owner and the dowager is here, in Vermont, and I'm exploring it and staring at it trying to figure out what to do with her. Considering she's been in New England since 1972, she's in remarkably good shape for her age. (Wait, did I lift that line from a sleazy eBay ad?). My '59 544, which came from California in 1980 is in much worse condition. Anyway, the '53's floor seems solid, though there's a few rust through problems- front fenders below the bumpers, some rear fender attachment points, one small spot in the trunk, plus the rocker panels are gonzo. Undoubtedly, there's a lot more rust lurking, but the body's probably good enough to get a VT inspection sticker. Window fuzzies need replacing but the rubber parts all seem to be in good condition. The interior needs a little work, but the dash is in great original shape- 15,000 (or is that 115,000?) kilometers showing on the odometer. I suspect the latter, since the ignition switch has been replaced. Known mechanical probs so far: no brakes and seized engine. It's remarkably complete, though. It's missing the grab straps, for lack of a better phrase- those loops that help rear seat passengers get in and out, the halves of the seat/shoulder belts that mount to the B pillars, and most of the air cleaner.
So, what to do now? The body obviously needs some work, and in addition, here are the options I'm considering:
Option 1: Getting it running and puttering around in it as is. It wouldn't take much to get it on the road, but it will be slow, slow, slow. Imagine a 40hp VW beetle with 3 passengers. Cameron Price reports that his '53 has problems keeping up with traffic on a 4 lane highway with hills (this is with a B4B engine) so mine will be as slow, or slower, depending on engine condition.
Option 2:
Updating to a daily/occasional driver ala Virgil II or Gert's PV- a B20 with goodies, 5speed/OD, beefier rear axle, better brakes & 12 volts. A fair amount of time and fun would be involved to get it on the road, but it's doable, with a car that's more fun to drive. Original drivetrain parts could go to someone who's doing a restoration.
Option 3: Custom sectioned and lowered body with windshield /firewall/dash moved rearward 24" with 5.0 Mustang drivetrain, using the '59 544 as a donor car. Moving the firewall and engine back allows lots of room for the engine (and maintenance), could result in 50/50 front/rear weight distribution with improved handling. (A poor man's Bugatti?) This idea was inspired by the V8 discussions on this board of last fall, some correspondence with Bob Melville (the owner of the Canadian V8 544) and a desire to expand my sheet metal and 3D CAD skills in a usefull way. (I have in-process Photochopped pix of the resulting beast, but haven't learned how to post them here yet. Perhaps I need to expand my online skills, too :-). This would be a several year part time project, at the least.
As you can probably tell, I'd really like to pursue the all out hotrod, but after getting the car home and looking at it, am VERY reluctant to cut it up. There's just too much history involved, and her condition is too good. It'd be a bit like insulting my mother.
For now I'll just stare at it some more- there's a Diamond T pickup to finish, a barn slab to pour, a lift to install, a house to start and a living to make. Minor things. So I have time to gain more clarity.
Thanks to Bob Silvius for a thorough inspection and report before the auction closed. He saved me an extra trip to Portland and back. Thanks too to Cameron Price for his article in Rolling magazine on his '53 444 and to Dennis Flynn for his just-do-it attitude. And thanks to everyone on the board- you've inspired me to get back into Volvos. Did I leave anyone out? Mom?
neil
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Congratulations, that's a great catch! Looking forward to seeing your updates on the car once you get started, especially pics.
I don't mean to read over your shoulder, but may I suggest a fourth option?
Build it as a factory prototype, with the Volvo B36 V-8 engine, as used in the Philip prototype and older Volvo trucks. You'll have to get it containered and shipped from Sweden, but it would be devastatingly cool.
Whatever you choose, have a lot of fun with it.
Al A., '84 245GLT, advanced entropy labrat
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Neil:
Thanks for the kind words. Of course you know where I'd place my vote, but regardless of your decision, combined on this forum, are centuries of experience with both stock and modified PVs. Of course if you do make any changes, then we'll be in a different judging category, when the day does arise when we're at a VCOA meet! I second the motion to keep us advised of your progress. Bonne chance!
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Cam a.k.a. CVOLVO.COM
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Well good to hear from you Neil! Sounds like the car indeed did go to a good home. Sounds like you've got plenty of time to complete the project in short order, so we'll be looking forward to hearing progress reports.
My only request... Keep your Volvo a Volvo... go with either option #1 or #2. Leave the V8 conversions to tatty '60s PVs. Of course, that's your choice, and I'm sure it'll make for a fine car regardless of what you do.
Cheers!
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Yeah, do a V8 hack job on a dime-a-dozen (comparatively) 544, not this one. Just my $0.02 though, you bought it, not me!
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Yeah, the '59 544 would be a better candidate for the custom. A flat windshield is more suitable for the look I'm after though, and as you noticed has a different shape above the windshield. Moving a flat windshield back works better than a curved. Since the 444/544 body is a couple inches wider at 2' back from it's original location, the windshield/surrounding sheet metal needs to be widened, too. Obviously, it's way easier to do this with flat glass, therefore 444 (or maybe 445). Probably what I really need as a donor for the cutup version is a rusting into the ground hulk. The '53 was close (3hrs away) and I'd been looking for a while, so I jumped on it, maybe prematurely. Charmed out of my wallet by the split rear window, too.
Here's the Photoshopped pic of what I have in mind. Let's see, how do I get in and out?
neil
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Atlantique Coupe?? Hmmm...Does the cab pivot up, or what? How does one get inside this beauty?
Regardless, I love this rendition!
Just my 2-cents worth, but you may want to add on the rear central fin that the Bugatti has. It'll add some stability at those 200+mph speeds!
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Steve, you got it exactly right! The 2nd Atlantique, the one that was recently restored and won Pebble Beach, is owned and shown locally and is flatout gorgeous. The Bugatti door opening scheme, as per the pic, might work on the custom 444, too, though suicide doors always make me slightly nervous. More likely is a conventional door arrangement, using original parts of the forwardmost door frame/hinge.
I'm glad you like it!
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Lamborghini doors perhaps?
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Neil,
I'm in FL at the moment, hence my late response. (I'm borowing a PC at the moment which takes a bit of getting used to for this Mac owner.) At any rate, pretty ambitious musings.If you should ever need one or more PVs in various stages of decay, from restorable to turning organic,I know where there are three or four in Maine - .now that you know the way, so to speak.
Bob S.
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Wow...
For something like that, I'd think you could start with whatever you want... since you'll be replacing most of the bodywork anyhow, you could start with a basic 544. Use glass out of about anything... I'm sure you could find and graft in a split windshield (and back window if you want) in any variety of '40s American iron...
As for getting in the thing... hmmm....
Good luck with that. If its really a project you plan to tackle, definitely stick around and provide updates!
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-Matt I ♥ my ♂
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Yeah, it's true, it's all constructable and makable from scratch and that's an option. Using the present car is attractive because the parts are right here and many of the decisions are already made. Some more development is necessary,I think, before making any hard and fast decisions.
BTW, noticed that you're part of the otherpower folks. Love your hands on grass roots attitude. I worked in utility intertie windfarm and induction generator machines for 15 years and like the simplicity of your approach a lot more. Keep up the good work!
neil
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