Here's a little project for someone...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6763&item=7968247299&rd=1
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MPergiel, Elmhurst, IL '74 145e T-5 'Orange Alert'

That's a sad pile of junk. As for it being a 'convertible' all he's done is the easy part - chopping of the top. The HARD parts are geting it to not fold in two soon afterwards (I'll bet after a few trips the doors would be jammed shut) and getting some sort of top to fit on it.
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I'm JohnMc, and I approved this message.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh

I feel like spewing all over the place. What the hell was this dude thinking????

He even admits he is the one who chopped the top off. And it was a 123GT OMG.

Only one word comes to mind WHHHY?


Daz

Well...the $50 bid met the reserve price.
If it really is a rare GT what a way to go. Hope somebody has time to give it a shot. I feel like we need to document that ID plate if it is a GT to prevent it from reappearing on another amazon at the GT price on ebay at a later date.
so who bid on it?
-Erik

Weren't headrests standard on the 123gt?? I don't see headrests.

Mark Sloo
Minneapolis, MN

According to volvoworld, it's a 1967 123GT, because "only the 123GT had the B18b engine in 1967", and the "M" in the VIN denotes it as a 1967. An "P" would make it a 1968, and not necessarily a GT.

http://www.vlvworld.com/indexframe.html?VIN.html

Paul

BTW-Didn't the '68 122 have a clutch cable and not a hydraulic clutch?

Paul,

I can say, with almost 100% assurance, that volvoworld is incorrect on that one.

Two reasons. First, I owned one (and may still, I left it with a friend in Calif.)
It was a '67 122S, VID Type # 133xxxx, and it was not a 123 GT.
I run the engine from that car in my current '67 Amazon.

Second, brickboarder Phil Singher recently confirmed the B18B factory option, for both the '67 and '68 130 model, in another thread on the Yahoo 1800list.

Phil, you out there? What source did you use when you confirmed that the high compression B18B was offered as a factory option on both the '67 and '68 or 130's?

I'm sure it was limited to the "130" or 2-door model, which would explain the B18B engines being shown in the "130" VEHICLE_CHASSIS_PRODUCTION table, but not in the "120" table.

gary - '67 122S, '72 ES

I'm looking at the production tables in the Volvo P120 book by Günther and Wolf. There are some discrepencies within the tables themselves, and I may have reached a too-hasty conclusion last time. ???

There's a B18B listed for the M production P120, the '67 model year... but it does not list a corresponding 123xxx type, nor a B18D motor. That's probably a typo.

Same with the P130 F ('66 model year). No 133xxx, no B18D listed -- another typo.

P130 M does list a 133xxx, and A, B and D engine types. Were all the 133s GTs? No telling.

P130 P ('68 model year) lists 133xxx, but no 132xxx and no D engines. It seems the B18B became the standard dual carb motor for that year. Also for the P220 P.

I have heard from several people who I would trust to know that pretty much all the mechanical bits normally found on a GT could be special ordered on the lesser models, but it seems I don't have any documentation that confirms that.

Isn't that funny? It shows how these records can get a little blurred over time. I have a '36 Schwinn, but the records for that period were destroyed in a fire before WWII, so all the info on them are created from tiny little bits that people put together.

I like the info on Volvo world. I have a '66 122(based on the production dates from Volvo World) but the title says it's a '67.

Is there any other good source for this info out there?

Paul

BTW-I would say that this "123GT" was a '67, just based on the hydraulic clutch.

The model years put on titles back before 1970 or so tended to be pretty casually related to the production year. Since 1970 (or near) each car built had to meet that year's thick stack of federal regulations, so the production date became very important (and subject to some odd wrangling occasionally). But prior to that it just didn't matter, and it was usually just the calendar year in which the car was titled. So your car may have been built in 66, but sat on a dealer's lot until '67.

To confuse things farther, Volvo's production years used to change over in the summer.
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My thoughts exactly! I figured the car sat on a dealers lot until 1967, and the dealer changed the year to match the current year-> Who wants a new '66 model in '67.

Paul

Especially since any cars made in the last half of 66 are the same as all the cars made in the first half of 67.

Heck, in the 60's I think there were still quite a few states that didn't even have titling requirements for cars yet.
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Mark,

Your observation's correct and would bring up an initial suspicion about this car being a standard 122 with a few 123 GT parts added on. (not saying this is the case, but it is a fairly common ruse, or honest mistake).

To clarify your observation, they also could have mounted their original 123 GT hardware on non-original, replacemtn seats from a pre-'68 122 (no headrests), but ....

As far as 123 GT seat hardware goes, for instance. There was just recently a set of the very same 123 GT collapsible "sleeping seats", the CHROME SEAT HINGE HARDWARE ONLY, for sale on eBay. The 2-seat set went for a considerably high price $400-600)

By the way, unless I'm missing something, the VID Plate is absolutely NO proof whatsoever of a 123 GT.

My current 122 (a 132xxx Type Number, has a B18B engine from another '67 122S that came, original, with the option of a factory installed B18B, and was indicated as such by the "133xxxx" Type Number on the VID plate, identical to, again if I'm not mistaken, to the 123 GT Type number, in both '67 "V" and '68 "W".

The B18B was an option on '67 and '68 122S's. This was recently confirmed by Phil Singher on the 1800list (Yahoo Groups)

All you 123 GT owners out there, would a true 123 GT have anything in the "S", or "Special Equipment" field?

No one seems to know the codes, and what "Special Equipment" that they designated, but Mike Dudek has postulated that maybe LSD and other features could have been indicated by the "S" code numbers.

Anybody know about the VID Plates "S" code numbers??

Not absolutely positive on the 123 GT or the posibility of a '67 mid year addition, but, generally speaking, the 122 headrest were introduced with '68 model.

All 122 seats, I believe it's from '65 on, or all post '65 models, have the headrest mounting hardware inside, just no headrests, so head restrants can be added without additional internal hardware.

gary - '67 122S (w/ the heart of a GT), '72 ES

Anyone know of a clever trick or way to rig the stock seats so they'll collapse back? Sure made me choke when I saw what the hardware that was on ebay a while back went for! I've got a trip from NYC to CO in October in the works and it'd sure be nice if at least the passenger seat would recline!
Tom
NYC

I came across this link awhile ago, but never seriously looked into it:

http://www.brickboard.com/ARCHIVES/1998JAN/8224.shtml

I thought the 140 reclining seat hardware might work on a 122 seat, because it looks the like the same hardware. That might be something to look into also.

Paul

I have the VIN tag from our old '67 Canadian GT (no head rests, no fog lights or relays).
Don't know if it'll help much but I'll look for it and post this weekend.

so who bid on it?

Well, after scrapping the chassis, your left with a GT-steering wheel, seats which can be folded backwards, a relative stout B18B with double SU's, it should have an OD, (if lucky even an LSD, although probably not...) and LOTS of other spare parts...

If it where me, I'd but it for them 50 bucks. I wonder what shipping it to the Netherlands would cost me... ;^)



Cheers, ben
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P131, '65, B20B+M47. P131, '69, B20E+AW71L+LSD. (www.tinustechniek.tk)

I agree, the parts are well worth the $50, but like you I have an ocean between me and the car.

I just felt sick knowing such an end came for a 123GT, I am glad to know my 123GT is stored safely in my garage far far away from any can-openers waiting to take ITS top off.

Daz