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What color is this??.....again 444-544

Thanks for the replies to my post a few weeks conserning this. To recap...I had 2 '59 544's: one a gennie #46 red (with a repaint) and my keeper with a vin indicating #46 ...however, not a speck of red to be found on it anywhere. Since then, I have been to the local DMV and tried to have them tie the vin to the licence # as I have no history on this car except it has been resting in a feild for many years. DMV says that once a car is out of their system, then it is like it never exsisted. So my guess is,unless it has been totally stripped of red and repainted, then I have one where someone has switched the vin # on my keeper and it isn't on the hot sheet thanks (??) to that vin #
BTW...It is a "California Beige" through and through as was suggested with a blue/wht int. Now on to gettin her goin...!!
BYW again.... the body # is 241253 vin# 241323

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    What color is this??.....again 444-544

    Hmmm - shouldn't that body number be slightly HIGHER than the vin number?

    The body number is the number stamped into the sheet metal, the VIN is the number stamped onto the aluminum plate, right?

    AFAIK the body plant assigned a number to every single body they produced. And the assembly plant assigned a VIN to every single car they completed. But not every single body made it through to a completed car. Presumably some were damaged in factory incidents, some were perhaps sold as spares (crash repair?), maybe some went bare to rally teams. Or perhaps torn apart in some sort of QA process. But over time the body numbers developed a slight lead over the VIN numbers, although never very far apart. The fact that your body number is lower than the VIN is a bit suspicious to me.

    Of course, suspicious in a 'mysterious' sort of way, not particularly in a scam sort of way. On such an old car I wouldn't worry about it.
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      Chassis Number Truth - Or What Came First! 444-544

      What came first; the chicken or the egg? Here's my definitive story on Volvo chassis and body numbers. This comes from a Swedish friend who actually worked at the Torslanda factory before he entered military service (conscription).

      First, the body number is something like an internal Volvo number and has no bearing on the chassis number. This is inconsistent at best and sometimes is higher than the chassis number, as on both of my 1953 PV444s and less than the chassis number on my 1960 Amazon-S. It was assigned when the car first started production, or was planned to start. I toured the Torslanda plant a few years ago and at every stage (body, paint, final assembly, test track) a car might randomly be taken "off the line" for either a defect, random sampling or other faults.

      Now for the chassis number on the V.I.N. plate. This was abandoned in August 1966 (66/67 production year), coinciding with the introduction of the "besiktning" that was introduced in Sweden in 1965. The "besiktning" is the Swedish annual inspection process, to ensure the car is mechanically fit and compliant before being granted the sticker to authorize its licensing. Pre-1965 this was a circular disk that you kept in a holder attached to the driver's side sun visor. Afterwards, it was a sticker attached to the passenger side no-draft window. Before that time, even in Sweden, it was noticed that often the chassis number plate did not necessarily match the actual car. Surprise! In 1966, Volvo was forced to stamp the chassis number into a permanent part of the car and this has now evolved to a "tamper proof" (in theory) V.I.N. label.

      Here's a quick pictorial evolution of the Volvo VIN plate, taken from the PV-klubben Faktabok (factbook):

      Up until 1953

      From 1953-1958

      From 1958-1966

      After Aug.1966


      So, hopefully this has helped to resolve that issue about body number and chassis number confusion. Of course this will never stop the prior practice of swapping VIN plates on pre-67 Volvos!
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        Chassis Number Truth - Or What Came First! 444-544

        Yeah, it looks more and more like someone swapped vin plates. The PV that I just scraped had a slightly higher body # than VIN# which does make sense. Maybe I should strip it and turn it into a redmobile. I kind of like it the color it is now. Very similar to the 'Sea Sand Beige' my dad's new '66 VW was painted. The wife likes blue so ..... at this point, a paint job is not a priority.

        I started it up a few weeks ago...It ran fine on starting fluid and I know the fuel pump works...pumped some rotton gas (?) up to the carb, so I know I have to drop the tank and clean out the fuel sys. including the carb....needs a water pump, but I have one from the junker...body electrics are dead...6 volts to the fuse block but nothing else except the starter and Ign. are working so it's probably the spaghetti under on the far side of the dash that will need lots of attention.

        At any rate, I have been going thru the archives at this site and have found some GREAT info that I will weave into the resurection of this wonderful car.... More questions to follow, but It's nice to be in touch with such good company!!







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