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Is the rearend in a 63 122 a Dana 25? If not what is it?
thanks
mike
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posted by
someone claiming to be shayne
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Mon Oct 11 06:40 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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Here's a guess:
Sedan
2 1/4" (AXLE) tubes= type 27
2 1/2" tubes= type 30
(don't know about the REAL earlies, '63 back)
My '66 sedan (with the early style control arms) had a type 30 (2 1/2" tubes)
Interesting.
No wonder I had such a time with the ipd poly bushings, the ones
that wrap around the axle. They work just fine though it's a bit more elbow grease. Latest '66 I played with was the same way.
I think the sedans started getting 2 1/2" tube, Dana/Spicers, with the old control arms, beginning sometime in '66.
Some of the posts here seem to confirm this; guts from a '67 fitting in the '66 axle, etc.
Wagon
2 1/4" tubes= Salisbury type 25
2 1/2" tubes= Dana/Spicer type 30 (started getting them sometime in '66?)
My '64 wagon went from it's original 4.56, 2 1/4" tube'd, type 25...to a 4.30, 2 1/4" tube'd 25...to it's most recent 4.10 2 1/2" tube'd type 30. Yay. Now I need to get some LSD.
Obviously, American axle shops can work on these things all day long...for cheap. The key is to mention that you have a type 27 or type 30 and NOT mention that it's in a 40 year old Volvo.
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My '66 sedan (with the early style control arms) had a type 30 (2 1/2" tubes)
Interesting.
Our's too, and from the serial number, it's an early '66.
No wonder I had such a time with the ipd poly bushings, the ones
that wrap around the axle. They work just fine though it's a bit more elbow grease.
I don't remember any particular problems with that installation, but that was back when the first iPd poly kit came out for the 122... 1996??? They're still in there and still working just fine.
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posted by
someone claiming to be mrhuntnpeck
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Sat Oct 9 19:21 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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i rebuilt my 66 122s rear axle this summer. I swapped the guts over from a 67, and put all new bearings and crown /pinion. All the bearings i got from a local bearing shop. I needed to make a special tool to spread the housing.
with the 66/67 you can remove the tin cover at the back of the unit.
but those axles are different than yours, being a 63 I think.
i know the earlier ones are quite different.
i can't give too much info on the earlier types that were used , but i do have a new differential, with bearings, and three crown and pinion sets(choice of three ratios) to fit an earlier (earlier than 66) volvo.
I will measure them if you like but can't advise on what these parts fit. I do know they are volvo parts , and they are all unused. I know the unit is a little smaller than that used in my volvo, these are rare parts. I can't use them because they won't fit my car.
if you are interested in trying to see if this new differential will fit your car, try to get a measurement of the OD of the outer bearing races on the differential, and the distance across (parallel to the axle). if you count the number of bolts holding down the crown this might help also.
you can email me off line if you want (volvo@shaw.ca)
thanks , Phil
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I meant Salisbury for pre 65 ish 120. My parts manual has P120 made before chassis 182165 as having this type, there are however tons of exceptions noted various #s between 156553 to 182155. 130 pre 149918 with exceptions from 68272 thru 149915. So basically the rear could be either depending on what you chassis ser # is. I can identify the Salisbury rear end as having the cover come off forward of the half shaft, in fact I'm pretty sure you need to pull the half shafts to open it. Basically the Salisbury has the bolt heads facing forward and the Dana has the bolt heads facing rearwards. According to my parts cat the rears share the same half shafts part # 89679-5 although the original 1/2 shafts for the Salis.. can also be called part #659453-5 so it is not a lock. There are many variations in the rear difs I would imagine that you just need to see. I would also never willingly swap in a Salissbury as if memory serves it is next to impossible to get parts or info on them. While we are on the subject the ratio always seems to be 4.56:1 or 4.1:1, with I beleive the auto cars having the 4.1:1 or so I have been told.
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What is your cars chassisno.? -and is it 2 door or 4 door?
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My car is a 63 122 2 door.
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ok, but if you can give me the chassisno. I might be able to give you which rearaxel was fitted from factory... could also be an ENV I think..
How does it look? The spicer-type (dana) -the housing looks like they normal do -a cast house.. the ENV type looks more like round (!) cylinder-pieces, bolted together.. Argh.. Not near my spare parts catalogs - pictures are a lot easier to show than being a dane explaining in english!..
Hope you get what I mean..
Cheers!
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posted by
someone claiming to be blown240
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Sun Oct 10 05:51 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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I know exactly what you mean.....it looks like a regulat rearend. nothing out of the ordinary. The reason I ask is becasue I want to get a locker for it.
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'63 is earlier than I'm familiar with, but I *think* it would be a dana/spicer 27 if its a sedan or coupe. If its a wagon, it'd have the salisbury unit, which is *almost* the same as the spicer 27 unit, but the ring and pinion gear tooth counts are oddball, as is the axle spline count....
-Matt
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-Matt '70 145s, '65 1800s, '66 122s wagon, others inc. '53 XK120 FHC
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The rear end in my 65 is a DANA 27 ... 4.10:1
Brett
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Brett Sutherland & the 1.5 million mile 122 CANADIAN www.ecvintagevolvo.com
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posted by
someone claiming to be shayne
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Fri Oct 8 11:34 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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It should be a Dana/Spicer Type 27.
I believe the early WAGONS had the Salibury Type 25.
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shayne, i am trying to get where i can put 240 mags on a 1967 122 wagon. here is afew questions. can you take the shafts out of a 1970 p-1800 and install them in a 122 wagon. or---- take a 245 wagon rear end and install it in a 122 with alot of welding and alot of work?? fun and games. the front spindle should exchange with out any problems. i know that i will have to change to a dual mater brake cyclinder, maybe a 240 brake booster with a dual brake cycclinder. i have already changed the floor with 2 inch flat bar to fit a 740 seats. later i will go to a 940 electrical seats. it is my volvo and i want it to be what i want it to be. well, if you can give any information it would be helpful.later,kim
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posted by
someone claiming to be shayne
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Mon Oct 11 07:17 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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Hi,
I don't know what kind of work the rear axle conversion would entail. I imagine the only way to do it is a bunch of cutting and welding. I've never approached conversions this way because the alignment of the car depends on the rear axle being true to the body. This makes me real nervous. This conversion HAS been done by better men than me. There is a pic of a 122 wagon floating around here on the BB with rear disc's on it.
My thought is that the 140 or 240 rear axle would be easiest as the spring perch is on the tail end of the trailing arm like the 122 wagon. Whether or not the control arms are the right length or the bushings are compatible, I do not know.
What 240 rims do want to put on your car?
For some reason the turbo rims look great on the 1800's, but I do not like the look of them on an Amazon. Mainly because it is obvious the turbo rims are intented for a vehicle of more squarish proportions...we have round fenders, the "square spokes" don't work for me:o)
It's YOUR CAR, do with it what makes you happy:o)
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pretty sure the rear end is a Spicer pre mid 65.
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Spicer = Dana
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George Downs, Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Central US
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posted by
someone claiming to be volvolio
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Sat Oct 9 07:20 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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Forgive my ig'nance, but are "spicer/dana" and "salisbury" the name of companies that made large numbers of differentials and sold them to different car manufacturers? What's the short story with these names?
- V
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Spicer and Dana merged many years ago and some of the diffs used in
archaic Volvos are still in production here in the USA. (used in Willys
Jeeps, Cushman Trucksters and LOTS of other vehicles)
I'm ignorant about Salisbury. Would like to know, however, if center sections
might be interchangeable.
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George Downs, Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Central US
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