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scary problem car conked out 700 1989

Scary problem when driving on a very hilly, very treacherous highway. Hot day, had been on highway about 1 1/2 hr.We were coming up a steep section caught behind other cars so going slow. Got to the crest of the hill and was coming down steep section when the car sputters, lags and dies. No breaks, power stearing, etc. Luckily knew what to do and luckily there was a pulloff close. Car would not start - no gas getting through. Would start and sputter and die within 5-10 minutes. Let it sit 20 min and drove for about 5 minutes, hit another hill and once again sputter, rev., sputter - no power and die. Let sit for 1/2 hr. got cooler temps. and flatter road and drove last 3 hrs home no problems. Car did this once before in town. had been driving for a while, up big hill, hot day, let idle while waiting 10 min. Go top drive off - same symptons. Got car checked out - nothing. So had spark plugs, distributor cap, filters, etc. changed. Car occasionally lagged a little in between then and this occurrance. Car in at Volvo now and can't find anything that jumps out. It is not the fuel pump relay. Someone help. What could this be. The car is not getting gas through when this happens








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    Forget the tank, it isn't anything in or having to do with the tank. First off the known in tank hose failure only happens with a low tank, and even then you would get some sputtering and identifiable problems first before the engine stalled. Then theres the fact that you had other problems that could never be caused by the pre-pump, pre-pump hose, or sender assembly. You could drive 1000 miles with a dead pre-pump, I drove 1200 miles IN A DAY about a month ago with a dead pre-pump.

    The problem is likely either the ignition system or the main fuel pump. To rule out the pump jump the sockets of the fuel pump relay (you'll need two male connectors and a piece of 14 gauge wire)... I think its the front left socket and middle right socket (there are six sockets for the FP Relay). If the pump comes on (you'll hear it beneath you) it works, so move on (don't run it a long time, just enough to confirm its dead or alive).

    Now I think its the ignition system, in part because of the heat relationship; ignition problems are specifically more frequent in high heat and high humidity (electronics). Assuming it is (ignition turns off pumps at failure) start with hall sensor/distributor ('89 is the last year of the dist + hall sensor), move onto the ICU (black thing on drivers side engine compartment fender with parallel cable looking connector), and then the coil itself.

    LIKELY its the Hall Sensor, a sensor riveted into the distributor housing that senses the cap as it goes around and reports to the ECU. Its a known failure point, and your probably about due for a replacement assuming its original. More info is available in the FAQ, but there are two options; replace the whole distributor or replace the hall sensor in the dist. The first is expesnive ($175 after you send in yours for the core fee) but VERY easy and quick (it took me about 10-15 minutes), while the latter involves totally disassembling the dist and drilling out the sensor.

    My recommendation is that you suck it up and buy a new dist. if you need one. You could rebuild yours, but like I said it involves drilling and rivets, total disassembly, and even then you're only saving about $50 (if that) since the parts to do it (cap, rotor, seals, hall sensor) will cost you $100-$120.

    Some quick notes about the rebuilt distributor. You'll need to buy the rubber o-rings (the two for the shaft, not the inner one) at the same time since it doesn't come with them. Before you pull the existing on do two things; first, mark the position of the distributor on the head (use the screw bracket on the old distributor and a pen) since the postition of the dist is the timing component, and second, make a note about the direction the rotor is in on the existing one. I can't remember if its possible but you COULD conceivably (from what I remember) put the rotor in 180 degrees backwards.

    good luck,
    rt








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      scary problem car conked out 700 1989

      Thanks for the reply. There was sputtering, loss of power, surge (gas getting through) prior to the stall. Does this have any bearing on your advise? Let me know and thanks again for your great response. mt








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    scary problem car conked out 700 1989

    Seems like I saw a problem like this in earlier posts and it turned out to be the crank position sensor or maybe the power stage module. Search the archives or look under FEATURES/700/900 FAQs for more info. I know that if the crank position sensor fails the pumps won't run. If it does this again check for spark from coil or spark plug wires.

    Good luck!
    Danny Mac








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      scary problem car conked out 700 1989

      Thanks Danny Mac. Will check this out. Never want this to happen again.








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        scary problem car conked out 700 1989

        This is a symptom of a in-tank fuel pre-pump connecting hose that is broken. First, is this when the tank is about 1/3 full or less?
        When you drive up a hill the fuel tank spils backward the partial fill of the fuel in the tank and as it goes down hill, the forward spill puts the fuel level below the hose that connects the pre-pump and the output tube that delivers fuel to the main pump. The hot-cold running difference is when hot the sucking of fuel by the main pump through the broken line brings in mostly fuel vapors, which create a vapor lock like condition. When cold, the fuel vapors are sufficient to start the car and keep it running for a while.
        The hose is a small flex tube $20 from Volvo, but can be fixed with a 2"x 1/4 hose and a couple of cable ties after removing the sender and pump unit from the fuel tank.
        --
        '89 245 Sportwagon, '04 V70 2.5T Sportwagon








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          You wouldn't lose all electrical power and have a full engine conk-out with just a faulty pre-pump hose. When the pre-pump hose develops a hole the engien will starve when the tank gets low. However, all teh electrical gear and everything else would continue to function just fine in the interim.

          -rt








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          scary problem car conked out 700 1989

          Hi vvpete. Thanks for the response. I appreciate it. Unfortunately the car's fuel tank was virtually full so if it needs to be 1/3 full or less for this to be the problem, then it can't be the hose. Let me know.








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            scary problem car conked out 700 1989

            Yes, it only happens when the broken hose is above the fuel level, so that wouldn't be the problem. It may have to do with the pre-pump not putting out the necessary 5 psi, but you've checked (had checked) that, right?
            --
            '89 245 Sportwagon, '04 V70 2.5T Sportwagon







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