posted by
someone claiming to be hummeri7582
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Sat May 8 16:22 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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Hi everyone...
OK... as a favor to a fellow college student, I agreed to take a look at a friend's 93 945 w/Regina to try and save him from having to pay the rediculous labor rates at our local brick mechanics.
What he has is a terrible, loud rattling/vibrating noise on acceleration, usually under higher (3000 plus) RPMS or sometimes when turning. Happens often right before a shift, or after a kickdown. Sounds like a shroud of some sort -- like a thin piece of metal vibrating against something.
Only thing I have found on the car is that the valve lash needs adjusting ( I told him I'd reshim it for him once school lets out next week) and the fact it's running a bit rich.
Other than that, I have *No* idea what this is. I have heard Catalytic Converters go bad and cause a rattling/vibrating noise, but not this loud. (this can be heard a good distance away from the car) Like I said, sounds like a shroud, but I can't find anything loose.
It's worth mentioniong that it doesn't do it in neutral or park-- only when the car is in gear. Do I need to send this one off, since I don't "do" transmissions? Could it be a U joint in the drive shaft?
Any ideas really appreciated....
Warmest regards,
Fred
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posted by
someone claiming to be hummeri7582
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Mon May 10 18:11 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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Hey Spook...
Thanks for the good advice...
But I'm wondering, could this be caused by a valve problem?
This car was purchased in January by my friend, and I am suspicious of how it was maintained. It only has 120,000 on the clock, but my gut tells me the PO's idea of good PM was "jiffy Lube twice a year, whether it needs it or not."
I'm supicious the car was overheated. It has a brand new water pump on it, and the POs (just from what I've seen of other PM stuff) did not seem like the type of owners to replace something like that prophelactically... After I've driven the car for a week, I notice it's going through lots of oil... about a quart every 500 Miles...
So, My overactive imagination has visions of an overheat in the recent past, valve train damage, and replacing the water pump and selling it off to my friend over at the college. (he didn't know me then, it was in fact our mutual Volvo ownership that made us friends)
I'm gonna do a compression test on wednesday -- I'll let you know what I find. I told my friend to be prepared for a new head, and have already put out feelers on getting a rebuilt head or a one pulled off a known good engine. I hope I'm wrong...
Thanks again,
Fred
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posted by
someone claiming to be hummeri7582
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Mon May 10 18:27 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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Or I hope I'm right, and that it is the head and not the piston/rings/block. Doesn't it seem terrible to be hoping that you need a new cylinder head? Of course I'd rather it not, but if i had a choice....
and as you may notice, I'm really bad about submitting all my posts before all the afterthoughts have hit me. Hehe. :)
Fred
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posted by
someone claiming to be hummeri7582
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Mon May 10 18:15 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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And I did think it was a little strange for a car with only 120,000 miles (who other than a Volvo owner says it quite like that???) would have valve lash out of spec already.....
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Dear Fred,
Good a.m. and may this find you well. What is the mileage on this vehicle?
Here are some possibilities:
(a) There is a metal shield over the catalytic converter. These sometimes come loose, and vibrate at certain frequencies.
(b) If this car is a wagon, check the center column support for the driveshaft. This is a large rubber grommet. If it is worn, the drive shaft will vibrate. Grasp the drive shaft and push it from side to side. If you can move it much more than 1/8", the grommet is worn. This could allow part of the driveshaft to contact underbody sheet.
(c) Is the exhaust system properly mounted? If the work was done by a general exhaust shop, they might not have mounted the system properly, allowing a pipe to strike underbody sheet metal. The rubber hangers allow the system to flex, as the engine shifts during acceleration and braking. If the hangers are missing and/or damaged, metal-to-metal contact could produce noise.
(d) Check the harmonic balancer (crank pulley). If this has failed, it could generate all sorts of noise. Check it as follows. Using white out, put a line from the inner surface (next to the bolt) across the pulley's face (in which there are several round depressions). If, after a short drive, the line has separated, the balancer has failed, and needs to be replaced.
(e) Check the shield over the exhaust manifold. Usually these are very tight. If it is loose, it might vibrate/resonate under acceleration.
(f) There was a recent post about noises coming from inside the transmission, due to a loose bolt. There won't be anything externally visible, but an inspection will show this.
(g) Are the engine mounts - and the transmission mount - in good condition? If they are worn, the engine might - under acceleration - shift such that a part, e.g., an exhaust pipe, contacts a body panel, and resonates.
Hope this helps. Let us know what you find.
Yours faithfully,
spook
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posted by
someone claiming to be hummeri7582
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Sat May 8 16:28 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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P.S: Noise seems like it might be coming from the area around the catalytic converter, but it's hard to tell exactly since it can only be replicated at speed, in gear.
P.S.S: Exhaust was recently replaced from the cat back, but not including the cat itself... the cat forward is very old, but the exhaust systems seems to be fairly sound overall. Just wondering id the Cat element is ruined and causing this (seen it before)
THanks again.
Fred
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